Why do good AKs cost as much as ARs?

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Kinda sounds like it on this thread. Then I went over and checked out Arsenal, anybody who would buy there must have money to burn or they are nuts. Those are the same stamped recievers as the WASR's for twice the money. I can see putting out that kind of cash for a Krebs, Why anyone would want to is a mystery to me. Why get a super custom smooth trigger bullet hose. The loose tolerances that make the AK super reliable will keepit from ever being REAL accurate. Better to get a basic AK and shoot it till you can get everything it can give , then IF it breaks , throw it away and get another.
 
WASR's are no where near the quality of an Arsenal. I have had several Romanian AK's and I consider them junk. I compare them all to my milled Bulgarian Arsenal, though. Bought my SA93 when they were just 229.00; wish I would have bought a truckload now.
 
Nalioth says: Stubbicat, I think we're getting a little off track here.

Galils, Valmets, XCRs, SU-16s, etc are all derivatives in some way of the Kalashnikov. Fodder for another thread?

We're discussing actual Kalashnikov designs here.

Actually, I disagree with your assessment that these are not "actual Kalashnikov" designs here. I do not know of the SU16, and the XCR has certain design elements of the Kalashnikov, but the rest of the rifles in my post, and listed in yours, are actual Kalashnikov designs. Fixed piston, long action, select fire, right side selector/safety, detatchable gas tube designs. The magazines all go in the same way in these rifles, just the same as the Soviet Kalashnikov. There are subtle differences between them, but then that IS the point of this thread, in my opinion. Why are some AK designs so expensive? There are differences in quality construction, fit and finish, sights, accommodation for optics, many differences. The operating system remains the same.

The Arsenals are somewhat overpriced for what they are in my opinion, but the Israeli Galil and the Valmets are probably worth more than the Arsenal because of the details of those rifles. But the basic design is the same: reliable, durable, Kalashnikov design.
 
+1 on Tantal. My Kobra was bought in December. I think the total was just over $200.

Another +1 on going through Tantal for sights like the Kobra. Easy guy to deal with when you get in touch with him, fast shipping, etc.
 
If we are going to talk about the Kalashnikov design, then I have a thought to add. I have enough funds to buy a small collection of rifles that fit in one safe, but I don't have unlimited resources and have to choose each rifle very thoughtfully.

I decided that I wanted to stick with the Kalashnikov action in any semi-auto, magazine-fed rifle that I buy. I admire the AKs action for its inherent reliability and the durability. So along with the 3 AKMs that I own, I also bought a Sig 556. It is very, very similar to my AKMs and the basic design of the action is the same. The Sig 556 parts are machined very well, the trigger is fantastic, it shoots 1-1.5 MOA with Federal/Black Hills ammo, is utterly reliable, and easy to disassemble and clean. Is it worth the $1200 + accessories price? If you can still eat and pay the rent afterwards, you bet.

I'm a huge fan of the AK design, but I do tend to go after the better made examples from the available models. I also buy better accessories, like Blue Force Gear - Vickers slings and Magpul / Bulgarian waffle mags. I learned a long time ago that it's less hassle in the long run to get the well-made version (and spend a little more if you must), as you will certainly have less headache than if you got the version that isn't as well-made.
 
Why get a super custom smooth trigger bullet hose. The loose tolerances that make the AK super reliable will keepit from ever being REAL accurate. Better to get a basic AK and shoot it till you can get everything it can give , then IF it breaks , throw it away and get another.
That was always my understanding of AKs...crude yet highly functional and reliable.
 
Ok... if you're referring to the 700+ stamped receiver Arsenal rifles, you are getting something that is NOT the same as a WASR-10. That is a BS statement and I'm going to kill it right here.

The new Arsenal SLR-106 and SLR-107 series rifles are based off the newest russian AK-100 series rifles. There is a 5.56mm version and a 7.62mm version. The Arsenal guns have the AK-74 FSB with 24mm threads, a bulgarian flash-hider or 74 style compensator, scope rail, polymer stock with heat shield, and the AK-100 style side folding stock, which requires a completely differant rear trunnion and rivet pattern. Also, the arsenals have the step down rails, the correct bump on the trigger axis pin and also X and Y stampings.
Let's not forget Arsenal's warranty as well.

If you're referring to one of the milled arsenal guns, well, that's a COMPLETELY differant animal from the WASR-10. In every case I've had a chance to test, an Arsenal with the same ammo will outshoot a WASR.
 
My saiga cost me $220 to buy, another 150 to convert. I put a 100 dollar POSP scope on it and it shoots 2 MOA with Wolf .223.

All depends on how you build 'em.
 
I'd likely be happy with a WASR that goes bang every time and will hit a torso size target consistently at 200m.


That said, it is what it is, and it ain't gold.
 
My Lancaster AKM 47T is rock solid and a bit pricey as far as AK's go but I'm completely happy and the quality is far better than a WASR I once owned.

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its times like this that I'm glad I picked up my Arsenal SLR-105R before the prices on them spiked the way they did.
I don't have much experience with AKs, but mine has been reliable and solid for the little use its seen. I just need some more magazines and another job to pay for the ammo bills. That thing is more expensive to feed than my dog.
 
Originally Posted by meef
Using your logic I'd just as soon get a Hi-Point as a Browning Hi-Power.

nalioth:
My logic would state that as

"I'd just as soon get a [Hungarian FEG PJK-9HP][Fabrica Militar Hi-Power] as a Browning Hi-Power.

An AK is an AK is an AK (not something entirely different)
Touché.

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Ak's are priced comparitively to AR's because they're better than an AR.
 
97GTI said:
its times like this that I'm glad I picked up my Arsenal SLR-105R before the prices on them spiked the way they did.
I don't have much experience with AKs, but mine has been reliable and solid for the little use its seen. I just need some more magazines and another job to pay for the ammo bills. That thing is more expensive to feed than my dog.

You must be feeding it high-test.

Try something a bit less spendy: http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Bulgarian__WASP__5.45x39_FMJ.html
 
oh no, I've done the math!

1080 rds divided by a 30rd magazine = 36 magazines worth of shooting for $120.
A big bag of dog food is only in the $20 range and I get a lot more feedings than 36.

Then again, the only thing the AK leaves on the ground is brass. :(
 
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