Why do "Home Defense" guns feel so junky?

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Hey, it's a matter of personal preference. We still have room for a little bit of that here in the US of A, thank goodness. And that's reason enough.

Here at Casa Lapin we depend on several 870 Express guns for HD, and I will add another to the stable any time I find a good used one at a good price. But not everyone likes the same things I do, they don't have to. Doesn't bother me, it's called freedom of choice and I like it!
 
Yeah, the 500 does feel kind of junky, but I wouldn't depend on another pump really. It has redundant extractors and that loose fit helps a lot with reliability. They are very dependable. Also, if you've ever seen Mossberg's demo shooter, I can't recall his name but he's on "Impossible Shots" a lot, you'd think twice about calling 'em junk. He can do more with a Walmart off the shelf Mossberg 500 than any of us can with the best custom Benelli. Promise you that.

I also don't need killer accuracy in a defense shotgun. But I do need one that ALWAYS works. A Mossberg does that if you take care of it, and a Mossberg can take a LOT of abuse. Army issued 'em too, mostly for breaching tools in Iraq, but it had to do the same thing basically --go bang when it had to in a sandy environment.

A Mossberg has a good fit actually, that is why it works so well. What it doesn't have is tight tolerances, and if you want those AND reliability, it is gonna cost 'ya. With a close range defensive pump shotgun though, you just don't need close tolerances. In fact, I'd wager looser ones are better for reliability (to a point) in a pump shotgun.

Benelli has its place though. I'm considering one, but only because of 3gun. I understand it is hard to be competetive without one --and I already have a great rifle and pistol for it, so I kind of need it. I hear anyway. For HD, I'd use neither the 500 or the Benelli, I use an M4 --I have a bum shoulder sometimes.

Finally, as for finish, I agree. Their Mariner finish held up pretty well against falling out of a vehicle at 70mph, beat and scratched to heck, but it held up and worked fine. But their blue has always left something to be desired from me, and their park finish scratches so easy it is really good for nothing else than tooth for a Duracoat application. Which I did btw, and it is holding up superbly well. It doesn't get used much, but the old G17 that got the same job at the same time does, and it is holding up just as well. Good prep, good stuff so far.

I wouldn't give up my 500 for anything. That along with a few others are considered minimum required arms for me. Everyone should have one --because you can depend on 'em.

But if you want a little better one, get the 590 military model that has the all metal safety and trigger guard. I just don't use mine enough to justify it unless I can find those parts at a show.
 
I have some pretty decent Shotguns, most older, but my newish Mossberg 50577 and 50411 don't feel "junky" to me at all. They function perfectly, and for a modern-production moderately-priced HD shotgun, I'd recommend either without hesitation.
 
They did make "police" WingMasters and these come available time to time on the used market. Look hard and you might find an 18 or 20 inch in fine shape. You used to be able to get these for $150 - $250 but prices have gone up over the last few years.
Gander Mountain (ok, I know) had a bunch (as many as 10 or so) of the old police Wingmasters when I was in the other day. They were not much to look at (of course that's not the point); the butts and forestocks looked pretty beat up, but the barrels and metal stuff didn't look hideously abused. At $250, however, I'm not sure one wouldn't be better off with a NEF.
 
I'm not sure one wouldn't be better off with a NEF....

I tried to like em, but they look like crap and weigh a ton. I think I know where China is putting all their lead waste now ever since they got busted on the kid's toys paint thing.
 
My question, WHY does a home defense shotgun have to be a home defense shotgun? I hunt dove with a 20 gauge coach gun and I keep it for home defense, just change out the loads to 3 buck. One can buy a shorter barrel for most pumps and depend on their hunting shotgun with which they are so familiar.

JMHO, I guess. I'm a fudd, not a ninja.
I agree with this poster; indeed (with Lee's advice helping clarify my thoughts greatly), that's what I did. I bought an 18" barrel for my 870 Express 12-gauge (Buds had them for $110 or so), and an elastic shotshell holder for the stock.

When I want to go pop orange disks at the range I just put the long barrel back on (and swap the 00 buck for bird shot).

Later, I then decided that I might want the ability to swap our 20-gauge 870 back and forth between HD and recreation and found a 20" smooth slug barrel for $91 at Ebay; another inexpensive shotshell holder and one would be set.
 
Well, my mossberg gets dunked in salt water far too frequently. I often have to take it apart when I get home and get the mud out of it. Such is the environment where I hunt ducks. Muck and Spartina grass cause my graceful old butt to trip a lot. That's why I hunt alone, to avoid embarrassment. It's also why I use a camo finish mossberg instead of a hand checkered and engraved Browning O/U or something, well, besides the fact that it'd take me a while to pay for one of those. I have not been disappointed in the gun in 20 years of use. It has brought down many a duck and goose over all those years, seen heavy use as my primary duck gun. I've got a single shot H&R 10 gauge for geese, now. I'm not really worried about dumpin' it in the muck from time to time, either. :D Just gotta keep the muck out of the barrel. Both are easy to run a patch through and I've learned to carry a cleaning rod in my shell pouch for such problems afield. I'm USUALLY graceful enough to land with the gun butt down if I am holding it, don't have it slung. Once, i tossed it and fell flat on my face. It was REAL wet that year and I had problems with the salt grass and cow tracks as well as my waders getting stuck and coming off. :rolleyes: Would help if I would go back to stocking foot waders, I guess. That's my next duck hunting purchase.
 
From practical experience the 870's today are rough 21st Century guns that need 19th Century hand finishing to be reliable. The Mossberg 500 does feel loose in comparison to others though -- still, you won't get more reliable.

Note: the 590 A1 still comes in an 18-1/2"/5+1 version, no? A little more handy than the 20"/8+1 perhaps (even with a Vang Comp +1 extension) -- those barrels really are heavy.
 
BOth of mine are Remington 870s , a HD for home defense and the 28 inch birdgun. I sure would like a WInchester Super X home defense . They have a unique lockup using a rotating bolt. Remingtons are reliable bar none but i want something different .
 
i want something different

Variety is the spice of life - sometimes. You already have 'chops' for the 870 - stick with 'em, for serious applications where you don't need to be thinking about which shotgun you have in hand.

Old saying: Beware the man with only one gun - he probably knows how to use it. Yes, I have other repeating shotguns - a good number of makes and models, both semiauto and pump. But the guns that are at hand for emergencies are all 870s, those are the guns my hands know how to run by themselves.
 
I bought an 870 Express Home Defense. Garbage. In fact, I sold it before I shot it.
If you never shot it, how do you know its junk? I get the "junk" impression when I pick up a hipoint carbine... While there is a lot of negativity out there about the hipoint carbine, you wont find much of it coming from their owners.
 
HD guns

quote: "but the guns that are at hand for emergencies are all 870s, those are the guns my hands know how to run by themselves".

It may be more than familiarity with the 870 - they may, inherently, just be the easiest to be comfortable with.
 
You couldn't pay me to own an 870 Express, let alone use it for my HD choice.
You couldn't pay me enough to take my 870 Express Tactical. I sleep very well knowing this is within arms reach of my pillow. My brothers all have 870 expresses and none of us have had ANY problems yet. Other than running out of ammo every now and then.
PIC: Home defense Primary and Secondary, Also my early warning system.
I bought an 870 Express Home Defense. Garbage. In fact, I sold it before I shot it.
Way to judge a book by its cover.

If I ever get into shooting shotgun for sport, I'll just buy a longer barrel and swap it out when I go play.
 
I have several really nice Benellis but I keep an older 870 by the bed. It is 100% reliable but has a plane jane finish. If heaven forbid I did have to use it and the police took it for evidence I woukd not be out a thousand dollars if it got "lost". Also if someone broke in all they would steal is the cheap WallMart Express but not those that I keep in the vault at work. In other words it is reliable but expendable.
 
Do they still make 870P's from a wingmaster? That is a quality shotgun. Get one with the walnut furniture, you've got a NICE HD gun.
 
Mossberg 590

I own the 590 Mariner that was gift from my wife years ago. In 2000 a few weeks after having spinal surgery from a military accident 3 "homeboys" pulled a home invasion on me. I woke up with them plundering my home, they had laid my 590 next me. I woke up up literally staring at it:evil:
Words cannot desribe the look on their faces when they rounded the corner carrying my wifes and little girls jewelry boxes and laptops:what:
In a word, "begging and pleading" wouldn't desribe their sudden demeanor.
One of the 3 thought he was a gun slinger which just enraged me:fire: and my 590 did my "venting" for me.
I'veowned the Mossberg 500 tactical and 88, the Remington 870 Tactical but none of them "feels as good to me as the 590. I sleep well, but lightly, knowing I have such a tool in my personal arsenal.
To all the FN, HK, 870,etc.. owners :neener:
 
As I said in another post I bought a new Ohio made Ithaca 37 defense 8 shot model and it is the nicest production made shotgun I have ever bought. My Browning BPS is also very nice, but it's a hunting shotgun. Browning dose show on their site a new tactical BPS model for sale.
 
I have the H&R Pardner Protector in 12 gauge,flat black,no rattles,light,old school, solid Remington design,and goes bang every time!!!Yes I trust my family's life with this firearm using 2 3/4,7 1/2 shot,I would use 00 buck but the collateral damage factor is way too high!! Tough to beat these considering price point $149.99, and no bad reviews,made in China,fwiw... IMHO a shotgun cant be beat for HD!

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I bought an express specifically to be able to have a gun I can beat up and not feel bad about it. And I have. I cranked a case and a half of S&B birdshot through it in one afternoon, it always went bang, never failed. I would have no problem at all popping a mag extension and a tactical barrel on it and calling it good.
 
I've been thinking about picking up a 20 gauge pump for defensive use I've been looking at the Mossberg 500 Persuader (Plus I already have a .410 in the same model)

But I have looked at the Remington 870 defensive gun.

I guess it will come down to which one of the two are on the shelf of my LGS for the least money.
 
I've got a Mossberg 590 A1 you could use as a truck jack.
 
Not all HD guns must be black and tactical:

This is my dad's 1970 made Wingmaster 3 inch with a 21 inch deer barrel and a short magazine extension. Nice wood, pretty bluing but has seen enough use to be buttery smooth.
 

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