XM855
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Well said. This is probably the biggest issue here...
Why does half of the gun community want to be "tactical"?
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Well said. This is probably the biggest issue here...
Shadow 7D
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There is a difference between doing some thing useful and doing something 'tacki-kool'
I happen to think that wearing ACUs and a full mollie kit is pretty stupid, I'm the type of guy who takes a small day pack and camel back day hiking, but then I also will be pushing a stroller...
But I'll pull my old gear out for a day at the paintball range, cause it's useful. It's the wearing or doing something cause it's 'kool' with out understanding (ignorance) that I see as the 'tacki-kool' thing. Being a Wannabe (btw I never have claimed to be other than I was, and if you ask for a dd214, amazing I can produce one of those...)
I happen to think that wearing ACUs and a full mollie kit is pretty stupid, I'm the type of guy who takes a small day pack and camel back day hiking, but then I also will be pushing a stroller...
But I'll pull my old gear out for a day at the paintball range, cause it's useful. It's the wearing or doing something cause it's 'kool' with out understanding (ignorance) that I see as the 'tacki-kool' thing. Being a Wannabe (btw I never have claimed to be other than I was, and if you ask for a dd214, amazing I can produce one of those...)
22-rimfire
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It's basically a sport for civilians. Things come and go; treat it as such.
XM855,
I agree with you they should be able to make their videos. I can't help but watch and wonder what the fence sitting neutral person thinks when he runs across these videos especially after reading the comments section of the videos. I'm just being aware of whats going on in the gun community by watching.
I agree with you they should be able to make their videos. I can't help but watch and wonder what the fence sitting neutral person thinks when he runs across these videos especially after reading the comments section of the videos. I'm just being aware of whats going on in the gun community by watching.
XM855
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I see most of the comments are that of ridicule and ostracism. Usually by people who aren't "tacticool" or who frown upon it. What does this say about the rest of the gun community?
Yes, a fence sitter may react poorly to a stupid gun owner. Sorry, but gun owners aren't immune to stupid. As far as stupid gun owners go, I remember seeing a video of a bunch or rednecks shooting at deer with a .50BMG. Their shot placement was so poor that the deer still managed to walk a few feet before tripping over. Then later they decided to shoot from the bottom of a hill at a deer at the top of the hill. Thankfully they missed about 5 feet low and hit dirt. If that .50 went over, who knows where it would have landed and what damage it could have done. Sorry for the tangent, but my point is that there is USUALLY no real danger in these "tacticool" videos and at worst paint gun owners as wannabe losers. Sounds bad, but could be a lot worse.
BHP FAN
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Why does the other half want to be Jim Zumbo or Elmer Fudd? Offensive and obnoxious when the shoe is on the other foot, isn't it?If we can't be more accepting of other gunfolk how in the blazes are we to prevail. When my son goes to the range, he gets the hairy eyeball from the old Fudds [some of them] when he's been liveing with guns his entire 23 year existance.If you don't like other gunnies, because they have a black rifle and too many pockets on their pants for your likeing do the future of our sport a favor, and keep it to yourself.
There is also a difference between people buying and using the tacticool equipment and CLAIMING they are a current warrior fresh out of Afghanistan.
IMO it is more detrimental to RKBA, when some segment of gun owners choose to criticize the way another segment of gun owners express their RKBA in a completely safe and legal way.
XM855,
I'm can't disagree with you really. Valid points. I just think they are idiots. I live way way out in Montana. Its about as remote as you can get. Its 11 miles off the pavement and I use a snowmobile to get home. In the summer when the roads clear and the tacti-cool crowd has left the cozy confines of their homes to hangout in the woods I love to confront them when they think they have a right to use my property to "train". Maybe that is part of my dislike is that often when I do have a trespasser its some idiot in camouflage acting tacti-cool who choose to ignore my signs.
I'm can't disagree with you really. Valid points. I just think they are idiots. I live way way out in Montana. Its about as remote as you can get. Its 11 miles off the pavement and I use a snowmobile to get home. In the summer when the roads clear and the tacti-cool crowd has left the cozy confines of their homes to hangout in the woods I love to confront them when they think they have a right to use my property to "train". Maybe that is part of my dislike is that often when I do have a trespasser its some idiot in camouflage acting tacti-cool who choose to ignore my signs.
RockyMtnTactical
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It's like I say to my kids, "stop worrying about your brother (or whoever is bothering them), worry about yourself."
In other words, if you don't like what they do and how they portray our rights, do something about it.
I don't know how effective I am but I try and keep a couple of blogs on guns, gun rights, and that sort of thing for this very reason. Hopefully I don't come across as a moron. I am shooting for being educational for newer shooters and to help get good gun legislation passed. I like to think I help our cause. Maybe I do, maybe I don't, but I know in real life I have influenced countless individuals to get into shooting and owning guns.
To me, it's all about education. The 2nd amendment is a right given to us by the founding fathers of this nation. It's a right that is constantly being threatened. IMO, the best way to fight against it is to get citizens educated on the need for this right as well as the proper method of making the most of it, while stressing safety. The more citizens that understand this, the easier it will be to preserve our freedom. It won't matter if they prefer an AR15 with an ACOG and night vision or a scoped bolt action hunting rifle, so long as they understand those other things.
I dont see anything wrong with this attitude, and they could say the same thing about the old elmer da fud style gun owners that make up a large percentage of the firearm ownership crowd. I hear people cracking just as many jokes about the old guy thats never cleaned his 30-06, or only pulls out his guns during hunting season. That said I am not a mall ninja, however I do own several AK variants and an AR.
Brass Rain
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This, this, a million times this. A true "operator" can be given a Mosin Nagant and a derringer and get the job done.
I used to be a bit into the "tactical" BS, but that was a phase. I'm all about blued steel, hard wood, and practice now.
RockyMtnTactical
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You probably aren't, in reality. However, to someone out there, you are a mall ninja who owns terrorist rifles.
I think a little more tolerance on our part could go a long way.
WE are the representatives of the 2nd amendment, don't matter if you are a fudd or a mall ninja or a real operator who owns guns.
Why should it matter if you like black guns, chromed guns, wood furniture, ivory grips, or whatever? It really shouldn't. We are all on the same side and we need each other if we want to keep our guns, whichever we prefer...
Shadow 7D
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I have no problem with someone dressed like that, esp. since that is how I usually dress, even if I'm shooting something many times older than me. I have issues with the ID10T's who then go one to say that they are, or where trained by XXX, and that you should be doing it like this... or that just cause I don't have a 3K AR, I'm not serious about guns, it goes both ways, and to me doesn't matter, as long as you are civil.
XM855
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mini14gb,
First of all, it is entirely your right to think they are idiots. That's the beauty of freedom!
Second, you have every right to be upset at these trespassers! They are breaking the law and are hurting your livelihood and mental health (assuming they aren't flat out destroying property and scaring away any game that you may want). However, at this point it's not about what they wear, it's about how these particular individuals and how they think and act. You can't condemn everyone who looks a certain way based on the actions of so few (we all know where that leads!).
Personally, I would LOVE to go out in the middle of nowhere and set up a shoot house or gun course. It would be a dream come true. But I don't, because I don't want to risk trespassing on anyone's land or breaking any laws (and no time/money, but that's irrelevant). I know I would be extremely sorry if I started shooting guns off on someone's land without their permission. Then again, I wouldn't ignore signs either.
RX-178
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In my opinion, there is one IMPORTANT reason for this.
Because there are those in our government who have PROVEN they wish to forbid us of this.
Because there are those in our government who have PROVEN they wish to forbid us of this.
dgvc63
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It's a live and learn thing...like when everyone swapped their good guns for "wondernines" back in the 80's. Most of the tacticool set will disappear with their fad. Guide them when you can, laugh at them when you can't.
Brass Rain
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I guess I should have worded that a bit better. Sorry, my mistake. I have nothing against ARs, AKs, or the people whom use them. I just mean the crowd of people that buy stuff that fits on accessory rails just for the sake of hanging something off their guns. The people that think having a three-point sling is going to make them better shooters. That's what I meant by "tactical BS". Sorry.
XM855,
As I previously said, I have no problem with assault rifles, training and lethal defense. I LOVE my black rifles and AR. You would be shocked at how many people choose to ignore no trespassing signs. I guess they figure that once your off the highway far enough nobody has the right to tell them what to do. I don't mind them shooting, having fun or hunting. As a matter of fact I let people on my property who have game down that ran onto the property or need a short cut in game recovery. No kidding though most of the time its a hunter trespassing or the tacti-cool crown acting like war is immanent.
As I previously said, I have no problem with assault rifles, training and lethal defense. I LOVE my black rifles and AR. You would be shocked at how many people choose to ignore no trespassing signs. I guess they figure that once your off the highway far enough nobody has the right to tell them what to do. I don't mind them shooting, having fun or hunting. As a matter of fact I let people on my property who have game down that ran onto the property or need a short cut in game recovery. No kidding though most of the time its a hunter trespassing or the tacti-cool crown acting like war is immanent.
XM855
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Oh, no need to defend your stance on military style rifles (at least from me), I never really even remotely got the feeling that you had anything against them. Earlier when I said "everyone who looks a certain way" I meant people with tactical accessories on their rails that weigh as much as their gun, or wear tactical gear up the wazoo.
To me, a gun is a gun and I love them all. Everything is appropriate for something, even if that something is to be an example of what should never have existed. As long as you don't take you full auto SBS with slugs dove hunting, you get a thumbs up from me.
BHP FAN
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personally, I like milsurp or black powder guns, but I'm not going to put down some kid who's useing safe gun handling technique, and minding his own buisness.And it seems like it's always the Fudds who feel entitled to comment...
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