Why dont we vote 3rd party?

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cropcirclewalker said:
Yo, Ms. Herself, thankyou, I yam touched.

I have a extremely relavant sig line at present which I love, but with your permission, some time in the future, I would like to use,

"I would rather strike out swinging than strike out looking."

With your permission.
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I'm flattered and the line isn't copyrighted. I doubt the line is original with me. Years of sitting in the control room running local breaks during baseball games (man! The baseball season runs forever!) put a lasting slant in my vocabulary.

Must admit that I quite enjoy your present sig. It's not my style, but it's a good one!

--Herself
 
And the score is: Vote for the candidates and polices you want to have in place.
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That's true ONLY so long as one is realistic about what the REAL choices for candidates and policies are.

When you vote for candidates and policies that can not win, you obviously don't get your first choice, but worse yet, you may well end up with the absolute worst choice...

A kid is offered a choice of gifts. He can make a single choice between a pair of socks or a new bicycle--his older stepsister gets what's left. If he doesn't make a choice, his stepsister gets to choose instead. So the kid chooses a pony. It wouldn't be honest for him to pick a bicycle or socks because what he REALLY TRULY wants--in his DEEPEST heart of hearts is a pony. Guess what. He doesn't get the pony--that wasn't a valid choice. Instead his stepsister picks the bicycle and the kid gets the socks.

So go ahead and choose the pony. But make no mistake--you will NOT get the pony--and you'll probably end up with the socks.

I know, sad story. Real life is sadder yet. Elections are close these days. A very few informed but misguided people in a single state making unrealistic choices in the voting booth may affect us all--we may ALL end up with the socks...
 
Herself said:
Vote for the candidates and policies you want to have in place.
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And if you find neither, the "lesser of evils" makes sense. The single or few issue voter will often confront this. The best and brightest don't run, because it is an extremely abusive process. "Policies" aren't pure because they won't attract the votes necessary to win elections. One's quarrel or competition is with other voters as much as it is with candidates and policies. Those candidates and policies reflect what is believed necessary to get elected.
 
JohnKSa said:
That's true ONLY so long as one is realistic about what the REAL choices for candidates and policies are.

When you vote for candidates and policies that can not win, you obviously don't get your first choice, but worse yet, you may well end up with the absolute worst choice...

A kid is offered a choice of gifts. He can make a single choice between a pair of socks or a new bicycle--his older stepsister gets what's left. If he doesn't make a choice, his stepsister gets to choose instead. So the kid chooses a pony. It wouldn't be honest for him to pick a bicycle or socks because what he REALLY TRULY wants--in his DEEPEST heart of hearts is a pony. Guess what. He doesn't get the pony--that wasn't a valid choice. Instead his stepsister picks the bicycle and the kid gets the socks.

So go ahead and choose the pony. But make no mistake--you will NOT get the pony--and you'll probably end up with the socks.

I know, sad story. Real life is sadder yet. Elections are close these days. A very few informed but misguided people in a single state making unrealistic choices in the voting booth may affect us all--we may ALL end up with the socks...
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You know... if all of you "there are only two REAL choices" people would just vote your actual conscience and throw away that propaganda. Things would change in a hurry. There would be more viable 3rd candidates. But since so many of you don't believe that 3rd candidate has a chance in this election, you won't vote for them. It is YOU people who are dooming us to continue down this path...

Voters who know they are voting for an evil should just not vote at all...
 
The Drew said:
You know... if all of you "there are only two REAL choices" people would just vote your actual conscience and throw away that propaganda. Things would change in a hurry. There would be more viable 3rd candidates. But since so many of you don't believe that 3rd candidate has a chance in this election, you won't vote for them. It is YOU people who are dooming us to continue down this path...

Voters who know they are voting for an evil should just not vote at all...
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:uhoh:
 
"I would rather strike out swinging than strike out looking."
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That's a good line if it's based on reality,there's not point in swinging if no one is throwing the ball to you:D, that's denial kinda like voting 3rd party:banghead:

Which is why people don't vote 3rd party.

In 08 all of the American's (including me) who don't vote the "denial" party will choose the next President,if vote 3rd party you can turn on the TV and watch, to see the decision we made for you.:)
 
The Drew said:
You know... if all of you "there are only two REAL choices" people would just vote your actual conscience and throw away that propaganda.
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My conscience is to avoid kooky platform 3rd parties with token candidates, if they are even on the ballot. There is no 3rd party that represents "my conscience". That conscience is to participate by voting for someone with a chance of winning, the closest match to what is important to me. If I need a protest vote, give me a platform that makes sense, something with a relationship to reality. Let those votes be taken seriously instead of dismissed as a bunch of fringe moonbats.
 
RealGun said:
My conscience is to avoid kooky platform 3rd parties with token candidates, if they are even on the ballot. There is no 3rd party that represents "my conscience". That conscience is to participate by voting for someone with a chance of winning, the closest match to what is important to me. If I need a protest vote, give me a platform that makes sense, something with a relationship to reality. Let those votes be taken seriously instead of dismissed as a bunch of fringe moonbats.
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Here's where so many go wrong... It isn't about winning. It's about what is best for america. You should probably either NOT vote if you cannot truly support any candidate, or vote for yourself. Stop perpetuating the problem....
 
yucaipa said:
That's a good line if it's based on reality,there's not point in swinging if no one is throwing the ball to you:D, that's denial kinda like voting 3rd party:banghead:

Which is why people don't vote 3rd party.

In 08 all of the American's (including me) who don't vote the "denial" party will choose the next President,if vote 3rd party you can turn on the TV and watch, to see the decision we made for you.:)
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I think YOU are in denial if you think by voting for republicans, that somehow things will magically change...
 
The Drew said:
I think YOU are in denial if you think by voting for republicans, that somehow things will magically change...
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By voting against Democrats, things have in fact changed.
 
The Pony analogy is strained. Neither of the managed media chosen candidates is as good as a bicycle. :barf:

Better to get to choose between a pair of socks with holes in the toes, vs a pair with holes in the heels.

I would then go for the pony (insert a new pair of socks here if OCD and must maintain the symetry), since I know I won't get it and no matter which socks I end up with, they will be defective. :(
 
The Drew said:
I think YOU are in denial if you think by voting for republicans, that somehow things will magically change...
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I haven't told anyone to vote Republican, I've only said,and will say again that the next President will be either a Dem. or Rep., and that if the Democratic candidate is Hilliary Clinton,all 3rd party HELP her because her negatives are so high she can not defeat ANY Republican in a TWO way race.

Perhaps you should reread my posts to see what I said,not what you think I said.
 
Sindawe said:
Hey, they killed the '94 AWB didn't they? And slashed taxes while cutting government spending, caught and punished those responsible for the 9-11-01 attacks, defended our borders and upheld the rule of law by issuing a Declaration of War against Irag!

:rolleyes:
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Hooookaaaayyy...I got beer snot going down my 'stache and beard, my nose burns, my eyes are watering and my dogs are looking at me funny.
Thanks a lot, Bro...

Biker
 
BigG said:
I've never read where two so-called librarians agreed on ANYTHING and this thread proves it. Third party? hah! :evil:
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yeah and the GOP is marching to the same tune:rolleyes: Majority party HAH!


All I know is that I will not reward the GOP with my vote.....they have not earned it....so off to the 3rd party I go.
 
Sindawe said:
Hey, they killed the '94 AWB didn't they? And slashed taxes while cutting government spending, caught and punished those responsible for the 9-11-01 attacks, defended our borders and upheld the rule of law by issuing a Declaration of War against Irag!

:rolleyes:
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No, they didn't kill the AWB, they let it die... cutting spending? are you kidding? They certainly didn't catch those responsible for 9/11 since we still have an osama problem, Defend our borders... Give me a break... And war was NEVER declared against Iraq.

I really hope you were kidding...
 
if all of you "there are only two REAL choices" people would just vote your actual conscience and throw away that propaganda. Things would change in a hurry.
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That is absolutely not true. If there were enough VOTERS with the proper views to elect a third party candidate, one (or maybe even both) of the major parties would HAPPILY and RAPIDLY incorporate those views into their platform.
Neither of the managed media chosen candidates is as good as a bicycle.
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The point is that if you vote unrealistically, you not only DON'T get your first choice, you likely get the WORST choice.
I will not reward the GOP with my vote.....they have not earned it....so off to the 3rd party I go.
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You might as well just stay home--the effect will be EXACTLY the same.

IF the third party vote has ANY effect on the election, it will be to put the least conservative candidate in office--exactly the opposite intent of the third party voters**. Vote however you want, but don't pretend you don't know the likely consequences.

**Unless their goal is to move the country away from a non-violent solution.
 
JohnKSa...

On the other hand, you can't win a fight you don't enter.
Biker
 
The Dems would love to marginalize the guns and Constitution vote, and libertarians are helping them.

I think what really needs to be done is watch the class of Senate seats and the House races in '06 and do what you can to elect your preferred candidate, one with a chance of winning. If not registered as Democrat or Republican, one has no stake in the primaries.

http://www.angelfire.com/mo/zdawg/2006/senate.html

http://www.modernvertebrate.com/elections/2006-national/

Googling "2006 Senate races"
 
JohnKSa...

a) It's the old 'The longest journey begins with a single step' thing.
b) To not vote, imo, is akin to rolling over and would be, again imo, an affront to all those who have fought and died in order to guarantee us this right.



At this point in time, I will no longer give my vote to a Republican/Democrat. There's little difference between the two parties today.
It's just a matter of which flavor of poisened kool-aid would you like to drink.
Biker
 
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