Why I will not hesitate to shoot a charging dog

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IOSCO TOWNSHIP, Mich. -- Two people in Livingston County were killed in separate attacks by a pack of dogs Thursday.

The body of Edward Gierlach, 91, was discovered by his son in the driveway of his property in Iosco Township, about 55 miles northwest of Detroit, police said in a statement.

Gierlach lives in a nursing home in Fowlerville. Family told Local 4, he often visited the property on nice days.

The body of Sherry Harper, 56, was found alongside a road near the house, troopers said.

Police said Harper was walking or jogging when she was attacked.

"She always walked, jogged. She just walked around you know its peaceful quiet. We didn't know they had pit bulls over there," said family friend Georgeann Hammond.

Investigators located the dogs believed to have attacked the victims at an area residence, where they were seized by animal control officers, state police said.

The pit bulls, ten in all, belonged to a neighboring farm, according to police.

"Its hard to determine because once we collect them, some of them are related so they appear similar. It's hard to determine which dog did the attacks," said Det. Sean Furlong.

The dogs will be tested and animal control will decide how many of them should be euthanized.

Public concern has been growing nationally over dog-related fatalities.

The New York Times reported this summer that 33 states and the District of Columbia hold owners legally liable if their dogs maim or kill. In 2006, Ohio became the first state to enact a breed ban, though it was later overturned.

In the past two years, the Times said, nearly 100 municipalities have taken similar steps - banning pit bulls, Rottweilers, English bull terriers and American Staffordshire terriers, or passing regulations that require owners to use muzzles or short leashes in public, according to the American Kennel Club.



The closest I've ever come to using my carry gun is when a large german sheppard debated if it wanted to chew on me. I love dogs, but I won't hesitate to drop one if its big enough.
 
in before all the "but pitbulls are such nice dogs, it's how you train them" crowd steps in...
 
I love dogs. I really, genuinely do, but to be completely honest with you, any dog that is charging at me and makes me feel threatened (even if it's a French poodle) will at the very least get maced. If I feel threatened enough, then I will have to put it down with whatever pistol I happen to be carrying at the time. I've seen dog bites in person. NOT fun, and could very easily kill you if they sever a main artery or air pipe.
 
I was attacked by a pack of dogs in Ecuador. Rabies shots are not fun. I could not carry there, but I started carrying an airsoft. Any stray dogs got shot with plastic pellets and they would retreat. I would not hesitate to shoot an attacking/charging dog.
The dogs will be tested and animal control will decide how many of them should be euthanized.

I think all the dogs should be euthanized, guilty by association in this case.
 
"I think all the dogs should be euthanized, guilty by association in this case."--Kungfuhippe.

You got that one right Hippie. They will defenitely euthanize ALL of the dogs. Then they should go and euthanize the irresponsible owners that let a pack of pit bull dogs run free.
 
Why I will not hesitate to shoot a charging dog?

The sign says "CASH ONLY"

Ha ha ha, don't worry, my dogs only eat babies.
 
Taking the High Road

I must admit a great deal of disgust with dog owners who get a dog and cannot provide for it adequately (don't even start me on parents...). When I say provide for it I mean space/area to run, time for training etc. While I do love dogs and want one very badly right now, I acknowledge that an apartment is no place for a large dog to live if I can't get it outside enough.

When I had a house I had a pit. But before I got him I looked at the pound and found dozens of pits. The animal control officer told me that they have families come in adopt a dog (pit/rottie etc) and then animal control would find it dead in an alley somewhere six months down the road, torn up from dog fighting.

I think our society has issues, society as a whole with the glorification of violence for the sake of machismo and the thug life.

As much as I love dogs +1 on not hesitating to put down a charging dog, if it's charging, it's not a dog it's a wild animal.

Act accordingly.
 
My sentiments exactly last night my neighbor was bit by our other neighbors dog, and they have another dog that while I was in my front yard has charged me and circled me barking then (they never use leashes) of course she say "Oh he wont hurt you", Yeah sure, and here is the kicker animal control has been out there twice so now I am seriously thinking of carry either a small revolver or a knife, Thoughts,
 
Ha ha ha, don't worry, my dogs only eat babies.

Not laughing here. Earlier this summer a pack of dogs attacked and maimed an 18-month-old baby boy just around the corner from my house.

Dogs in packs are dangerous. Period, full stop. It doesn't matter if they're "pit bulls" or not. Dogs that are allowed to pack up and roam are very likely to do stuff like this.

Euthanize the dogs, jail the owner.

pax
 
I think all the dogs should be euthanized, guilty by association in this case.


HMMmmm, how does this ring a bell with me?,,,,,,,,,,,
"All guns are evil, anyone with a gun should be put in prison?"

Sorry, my friend, I don't think dogs are really your problem.

Jerry
 
Sorry, my friend, I don't think dogs are really your problem.
Dogs who have been raised and run in packs in such an environment are clearly dangerous. They are a problem. My aunt had problems with packs of them coming onto her farm and killing her animals - animal control would take a couple, and the rest would keep coming back until they were all killed. That's just how they function.
 
Dogs who have been raised and run in packs in such an environment are clearly dangerous. They are a problem. My aunt had problems with packs of them coming onto her farm and killing her animals - animal control would take a couple, and the rest would keep coming back until they were all killed. That's just how they function.

How does that relate to my post?

Jerry
 
How does that relate to my post?
You were making a connection between guns and dogs, and they do not relate, that's where the relevance is.

Dogs are living, guns are not. Your comparison of "All guns are evil, anyone with a gun should be put in prison?" is not appropriate in this situation. Dogs alone are a problem here.
 
Jerry ~

You chided the guy who said that all the dogs on the property -- the dogs that had been running in a pack -- should be euthanized, rather than just the ones proven to be in the pack at the moment those folks were killed.

Dogs that have run in a pack are dangerous, and better euthanized because once they've learned that behavior there really isn't any training it out of them.

pax
 
Jerry Morris said:
HMMmmm, how does this ring a bell with me?,,,,,,,,,,,
"All guns are evil, anyone with a gun should be put in prison?"

Sorry, my friend, I don't think dogs are really your problem.

Dogs allowed to roam free in packs are a problem, and they can all be dangerous even if they're not pit bulls. My mother lives in a small town in northwest Alabama which is pretty rural, and a lot of people would allow their dogs to roam free. The dogs quickly formed a pack and became dangerous to individual people as well as stock animals they kept.
Now when any one of these dogs was at home, it might be a nice, friendly obedient dog ... but in the pack they took the lead of the alpha dog and re adopted their species' predatory habits.
Don't kid yourself; dogs allowed to roam will form packs and become dangerous. leash laws are there for a reason.
BTW -- the situation where my mother lives has had the problem rectified since then.
 
You chided the guy who said that all the dogs on the property -- the dogs that had been running in a pack -- should be euthanized, rather than just the ones proven to be in the pack at the moment those folks were killed.

Read it more carefully. I chided him for saying all dogs. One should be more discriminating in their statements. Had he said "all threatening dogs, or packs of dogs", I would have been wrong.

It is the same as the lame anti-gun thing, as it is.

Jerry
 
dogs have minds of their own, and any dog could turn on an innocent person. some dogs are more likely to turn, and others when they turn are more likely to do serious damage.

it is the owner's responsibility to have control of his/her dogs at all times. a dog running loose is not under control and no one who owns such a dog should have any expectation that anyone coming across such a dog would not take steps to protect him/her self.

that does not mean you kill any dog that comes near you, but you are probably warranted in shooting a dog that comes near you in such a situation that exhibits aggression, especially when in a pack containing larger dogs such as pits, shepherds, and rotts. You do not get second or third chances with these type of dogs, and in a pack you are probably dead or seriously injured anyway if they attack even if armed.

against a single dog, a stout stick is a good choice, but against more than one large dog you are out of luck.

I like dogs, but I am also aware that when they are not under human control, they are not really dogs anymore but more like wild animals.
 
Dogs allowed to roam free in packs are a problem, and they can all be dangerous even if they're not pit bulls. My mother lives in a small town in northwest Alabama which is pretty rural, and a lot of people would allow their dogs to roam free. The dogs quickly formed a pack and became dangerous to individual people as well as stock animals they kept.
Now when any one of these dogs was at home, it might be a nice, friendly obedient dog ... but in the pack they took the lead of the alpha dog and re adopted their species' predatory habits.
Don't kid yourself; dogs allowed to roam will form packs and become dangerous. leash laws are there for a reason.
BTW -- the situation where my mother lives has had the problem rectified since then.

This has nothing to do with my post. Read more carefully.

I am 56 years old. I grew up and lived around Pit Bulls, German Shepards and presently own a Boxer, one of many I have owned. I suggest you might want to study who needs more advice.

Packs of dogs are a problem. Unsupervised dogs are a problem. So are people who have absolutely no understanding of dog behavior.

Jerry
 
Sorry, my friend, I don't think dogs are really your problem.

I didn't mean all dogs if that's what you read into it. My 3rd birthday present was Blacky, a black lab/german shepard mix that I got for free in front of Thrifty's Drug Store. I meant all the dogs of said owner. They are unsure which of his dogs were in this pack. He's proven to be a poor keeper of animals, and dogs learn from each other. I see no problem with destroying a few extra animals after two people were killed. I think the owner should be charged. Many states have similar law, if you are an accomplice in a bank robbery and one of the other robbers kills a clerk you will be tried for murder too. Guilty by association. If the guy has a large group of animals and half of them run off in a pack and kill people, there is no reason to believe that the other animals (with the same training, environment, etc.) are harmless, especially if there is no way of telling which dogs were in the pack and which dogs stayed home. The real criminal is the owner who didn't train, contain, and exercise dominion over his beasts. IMHO he is guilty of manslaughter or more. Just as if you left a loaded gun on the playground...

So your right, the dogs aren't my problem, the owner is my problem.
 
Not laughing here. Earlier this summer a pack of dogs attacked and maimed an 18-month-old baby boy just around the corner from my house.

Hmmm, maybe I shouldn't let my kids play with those stray dogs unsupervised anymore. :rolleyes:
 
I chided him for saying all dogs.
Actually, what Kungfuhippie said was "all of THE dogs" (emphasis mine), implying that he felt that all of the dogs from that farm should be euthanized. I think he's probably right.

Also, this is general GUN discussion. Start talking guns, people, not dogs.

Mike
 
I like dogs, but I am also aware that when they are not under human control, they are not really dogs anymore but more like wild animals.

Dogs are always what they are, wild, or domestic.

For all the wild-eyed: The domestic dog is property, just like the gun. Its owner is responsible, not the property. If you leave, or somehow allow your gun to roam about, it will likely windup stolen,or destroyed, same thing. Those who equate the dog as an evil minded instrument of destruction are denying the facts of nature. I love my dogs, but I do not give the the equality to humans, in possessing intellect. The wild dog is a game animal.

I addressed discrimination in my post. Understand it and get over it.

Jerry
 
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