Why is the Obama scare so much worse?

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Its pretty much the perfect storm scenario for panic

Our country is fighting two wars and Uncle Sam has ordered millions upon millions of rounds and since we closed a couple production facilities during the so-called "peace-dividend" years, the private sector is having to take up the slack.

China drove up commodity prices to absurd levels.

The current economic crisis doesn't help.

Obama is THE most anti-Gun-Rights President to ever take office and he'll stack the courts that way too.

All in all, its not a great situation and its not going to get better.


In case no one else noticed, I haven't seen Obama taking baby-steps since he entered into office. He is a man of big ideas and he intends to shake the ground we walk on with the "Change" he believes he was mandated with.
This is not a man who goes half-way. If he decided he wants an assault weapons ban/ ammunition importation ban/ firearm importation ban or perhaps even Federal law on CC, then he is going to swing for the fences when he does go for it and play to win.

Not a good situation. Not good at all.
 
Its overblown panic...and our society is so much more polarized than before...everyone sees Obama as the anti-christ who will steal our guns...so they are rushing to buy guns based on irrational panic. We are so polarized that Dems don't see Reps as rational fellow citizens but as crazed fascists...and Reps don't see Dems as rational fellow citizens but as crazed Marxists. Maybe we should actually start talking to each other again instead of shouting.

And, yes...I'm the odd (mostly) Democratic gun owner who actually talks to all political stripes and takes heat from everyone (on different issues of course)...but hey, that's what demoracy is supposed to be about, right?

I predict no bans. The Dems learned their lesson back in 1994...just witness the 65 who signed the letter saying no assault weapons ban after AG Holder mentioned it. Plus, there are a lot of guys like me in the Democratic world advocating strongly for gun rights.
 
Wow dudes! Obama's only the President. The Constitution still works. We've had other President's with Big Ideas and a Big Mandate. They didn't get everything they wanted.

This thread is getting pretty political, but here's a quote from the 1980 Republican Platform:

"We affirm our support of a constitutional amendment to restore protection of the right to life for unborn children."

Reagan and two Bushes later, at Roe v. Wade stands. Heller's safe.
 
there are a lot of guys like me in the Democratic world advocating strongly for gun rights.
The question is, will you vote for them if they do enact a ban? If you still will, there is no reason not to.

We've had other President's with Big Ideas and a Big Mandate. They didn't get everything they wanted.
Obama is a unique situation. He has supermajoritys in both houses and has been known to be able to rush bills through without them being fully read. Of course, he is also politically wise, so maybe he won't pass one, at least in his first term.
 
All I know is that anybody who can say this of our ex-Prime Minister is someone who cannot be trusted one inch:

Mr Obama said: "I want to thank my good friend Tony Blair for coming today. He has been an example to so many people around the world of what dedicated leadership can accomplish."

All the standards of the England I loved and appreciated my grandfather fighting for have been torn down by Blair. Obama, aside from being black, is the spitting image of Blair. And trust me, that is a very, very, bad thing for America.
 
Kennedy, L.B. Johnson and Carter enjoyed super majorities in the Senate. Does anyone remember the huge sweeping changes inflicted upon the nation by Jimmy Carter? I don't.

The Founding Fathers created a Constitution strong enough to weather the storm. That includes the second amendment.
 
Obama is as much a Socialist as Bush was a Fascist.

The downfall of this country will be a result of 50%of the population refusing to cooperate and being generally big babies when "their guy" isn't in charge.

This applies to people on both sides of the fence. Gun forums today sound like college campuses did in the early 00's. Just the words are switched around.
 
I voted for the other guy back in nov. but i don't think that anything that is going on is because of Obama. Even if he does try to take guns away (which i don't think he is) he can't do it alone that is why we are called a democracy.

I believe the shortage of supplies is because of the same reason everyone thinks that we are on the brink of the next great depression or that you and everyone you know is going to die from swine flu. THE MEDIA!!

The media is causing unneeded panic. Think about when was the last time you heard ANYTHING optimistic on the news.

Just my opinion.
 
Carter isn't in office anymore and when he was, he was pretty much at war with the Speaker of the House.

Obama is a unique politician in a very unique period of time. Just like Clinton he can end ammo and firearm importation with his pen. He is surrounded by anti-gun rights people and was supported and funded by the biggest anti-gun rights fanatic in the world today and that would be George Soros.

Does everyone forget Obama served on the board of the Joyce Foundation?

Obama is as dedicated a anti-gun rights politician there is or ever was and he happens to be POTUS...

We are between a rock and hard place and we'll be here for awhile.
 
Just for the record, we're not a democracy. We're a federated constitutional republic ;)
 
I think it's because our current access to information has made it impossible for the government to just pass laws as much as they want with most people not even knowing about it until it's already been in effect for two years. I was 21 when the '94 ban was passed, and I wasn't aware of it until I asked a dealer why the ARs didn't have flash hiders. Those of us who care (big asterisk after that one,) are much more informed and mobilized than we were before.

I also think that the current shortage is a testament to our effectiveness in getting people informed and to want to shoot in the first place. We've got so many people wanting to shoot that when there was a rumor of a possible ban, with the very real memory of the ban that just LAPSED, people won't take chances anymore.
 
Does anyone remember the huge sweeping changes inflicted upon the nation by Jimmy Carter? I don't.

We do owe a debt of gratitude to Mr. Carter - he was so bad he cleared a wide path for the election of Ronald Reagan . . . Although I must admit to fondly recalling him admonishing me to turn my thermostat to 68 degrees in October, so I promptly turned down my air conditioning and slept quite comfortably under the covers with a clear conscience.
 
Although I must admit to fondly recalling him admonishing me to turn my thermostat to 68 degrees in October, so I promptly turned down my air conditioning and slept quite comfortably under the covers with a clear conscience.

It's your fault that we have a huge reliance on foreign oil.

If you don't sweat a little at night you are a bad American.
 
No scare here. We were already leaning towards picking up weapons. The recent election combined with about 20+ Holiday home invasions downtown and surrounding areas along with one very famous local reporter killed tipped us into showing the Government stimulus spending in the form of cold hard cash reserves in Guns, ammo and accessories.

If another President was elected or perhaps not so many crimes that holiday season, we would not be participating as Gun Owners right now.

Ive been through the Cold War and also the Baltimore '68 Riots with Federal Active Duty Soldiers clearing the streets block by block with the 82nd on call and other units on reserve should they be necessary in the then Federal Control Zone in that city that year.

President Obama is a very young man who has much to learn and has to deal with the Office now that he's got it. That is his problem, not ours to be honest with you. For example... FDIC banking? Not involved. We are NCUA Banks totally now.

I have seen much in history, heard many stories from several generations in my family and all are wonderful things both good and bad for the Nation. But scares? No.
 
Anti-gun?

When it comes to any law, and especially gun laws, the Supreme Court rules the roost. If Obama nominates his candidate from the ninth circuit court of appeals, look out! And HIS congress has the votes to pass.
 
When it comes to any law, and especially gun laws, the Supreme Court rules the roost.

Without a very compelling reason, the Court almost always upholds decisions of earlier courts. It took a Civil War and multiple Constitutional Amendments to overturn the Dred Scott decision. Decades of violence in the streets preceded a rethinking of Plessy v. Ferguson.

The Supreme Court has ruled we have an individual right to own weapons.
 
Guilty as charged . . .
Hah, I am too. I flog the hell out of my AC in the summer. I make up for it by never truning my heater on until I fear the pipes will freeze.
 
If abortion rights survived 8 years of GOP dominance then I am supremely confident that gun rights will be fine for the next 8. Barring any "true patriots" doing something dumb and turning public sentiment against gun owners as a whole.

Actualy it is that very thing which is likely causing them to hold off on gun control during these tough economic times.

From the Department of Homeland Security report, (and there is many similar reports which also brief the president and members of Congress) :

(U//FOUO) The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.

(U//FOUO) Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of rightwing extremist groups, as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government. The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by rightwing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement.


U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent rightwing extremist ideology are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States. Information from law enforcement and nongovernmental organizations indicates lone wolves and small terrorist cells have shown intent—and, in some cases, the capability—to commit violent acts.

After Operation Desert Shield/Storm in 1990-1991, some returning military veterans—including Timothy McVeigh—joined or associated with rightwing extremist groups.

They toss in various references to racist things and the other common spins you see in such reports so they are easier to swallow and allow the reader to view all types of discussed individuals as "them". It makes it easy to mentaly distance yourself from those who can be percieved as radicly different and alien.
Reading between the lines though you can clearly see the statements.

It clearly illustrates a government fearful of an armed populance who believe strongly in thier RKBA.
A government that fears some people really mean "from my cold dead hands".
A government that really believes future gun control, especialy combined with other things like bad economic times could result in more McVeigh style attacks in retaliation against the government, as they make reference specificly to Mcveigh.
Elements of the government are afraid the population could react quite bad to gun confiscation and the passage of gun control laws.
They feel this potential is increased because of the economic times and the returning veterans.

Eric Holder, Hilary Clinton, Joe Biden and other members of the Obama Administration specificly chosen by Obama for thier views and thier experience have all called for, discussed or mentioned gun control favorably in the last few months. Such as in relation to Mexico.
The Treaty of the Americas was another push in that direction.

Many times the unofficial response by Obama during repremands has been "now is not the time".
Even people such as Pelosi have shown that and said similar things.


So ironicly it is fear of McVeigh style retaliation that is giving pause to government. However that same fear is prompting a strong desire for increased authoritarian practices, massive surveillance, tracking capabilities and a host of other measures that enables better control.

"Now is not the time" for gun control, because there is still various pockets of "Right wing extremists" that could engage in domestic terrorism in response.


Clearly the government does not yet feel is has a strong enough iron grip on the population to take on the "right wing extremist" elements. That time may come in the future, but "now is not the time".


I anticipate the strengthening of government and LEO powers before the next wave of gun control.
Bills such as the Cybersecurity Act of 2009 would go a long way in accomplishing such things. Giving access to bank records (gun/ammo purchases) telecommunications, and the legal ability to shut down any section of the internet at will for national security.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=448310


'Now is not the time', there is right wing extremists to worry about. Perhaps in the future when the government feels it is strong enough and able to monitor and restrict most citizens to prevent or reduce the threat such domestic terrorists pose.
 
Sadly, too much drift into poly ticks and other non-topical schtuff.

There is no doubt that mass media contributes heavily, and moreso year by year.

That may be bad, or it may be good. The equivilent of a GCA1968 would probably be harder today than it was back then, so for that we should doubtless be thankful.
 
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