Why the NRA must be stopped.

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1st of all, I would like to preface my argument stating that I am full support of the second amendment.

2nd, all of what I am about to tell you is fact. In fact, feel free to look it up. If you disagree with it, then you are disagreeing with fact, which is absurd.

However, the NRA must be stopped.

The original intent of the NRA was to promote gun safety, train shooters, and things like that.

It was not until 1977, when a coup occurred, did the NRA become involved with politics.

You see, the NRA does not represent gun owners.

In fact 39% of US households own a gun.

This equates to about 47 million households.

Even if we make the figure more conservative, we will say 20 million people own guns in the US. This would make up only 6 percent of the US population, so 20 million is very conservative.

There are roughly 4.5 members of the NRA. This means using our conservative number of 20 million gun owners, only 22.5 percent of gun owners are NRA members.

This means that the NRA does NOT represent gun owners. It represents 22.5 percent (and probably much less) of gun owners.

Now, if we change from an ultra conservative figure of 20 million gun owners, and go by my stats, I could say with 80% probability that only TEN percent of gun owners are NRA members (but for the record, I'm not stating this as fact).

So now you are wondering, why must the NRA be stopped?

The NRA is a very fine organization, if it would stay out of politics.

In fact, if the NRA would stay out of politics, it could probably GROW it's member base.

We all know that during the entire 1st term of Obama's presidency, the NRA used lies and manipulated sentences to strike fear that he would plan to disarm every American.

So no, the NRA does not represent the Gun Owner, it represents the gun Manufacturer.

Constantly telling people that there will be a gun ban, gun confiscation, etc will make people go out and buy more guns.

Fear makes a very good motivator for any sales department.

So...let's bring out some facts.

What exactly DID Obama do during Term 1?

February of 2010- Allowed loaded firearms to be carried in the Grand Canyon and other national parks.

"In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that's handed from generation to generation. Hunting and shooting are part of our national heritage. And, in fact, my administration has not curtailed the rights of gun owners - it has expanded them, including allowing people to carry their guns in national parks and wildlife refuges."
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A pro-gun law penned by Obama?! How absurd!

But wait, there's more!

Who exactly made it illegal in the first place?

and replaced President Ronald Reagan's policy of required guns be locked in glove compartments of trunks of car that enter national parks.
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So wait...a republican violated our dear 2A and a Democrat made it possible again? Say it ain't so!

But wait! There's even more!

"Like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms," he wrote. "And, in fact, my administration has not curtailed the rights of gun owners - it has expanded them."
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Finally...

Ten months later, as part of an omnibus spending bill, Obama reversed a decade-long ban on transporting firearms by train. Amtrak travelers can now carry unloaded, locked weapons in their checked baggage.


Another pro-gun law penned by a Dem?! Ah! I can't take this pain!

But....but....the NRA said Mr. Mean 'ol Obama was going to take them away!

It's been 6 years and 249 days since Obama has been president and it's yet to have happened.

In fact his LACK of gun control has made the NRA so worried, it's made the CEO spooked..

In a speech Friday at Florida's version of the Conservative Political Action Conference, LaPierre explained how by not pushing for new gun laws, Obama actually revealed that he is engaged in a secret plan to "lull gun owners to sleep" so that they would not vote him out of office in 2012. LaPierre claimed that Obama's "strategy" is to "get re-elected" and then "erase the Second Amendment from the Bill of Rights."
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Hmmm...my watch is still ticking, where is Obama to take my guns?


Now, you can see the NRA for what is really is, an Organization of Paranoid Nutcases who use lies to drive fear in order to increase the sale of weapons and ammo.

What does the NRA need to do?

1. Stop lying. In fact the NRA has been caught in so many lies I would take me over half an hour to type them out. The biggest lie they perpetuate is "Obama is coming for your guns". Which has NOT HAPPENED in the nearly 7 years he has been in office.

2. Get out of politics.

3. Make the NRA more appealing to Democrats. Not ALL Democrats want to ban guns, and there are also anti-gun Republicans! *Gasp*.

The RKBA needs to be a NON PARTISAN ISSUE. There are as many pro-gun Democrats as there are anti-gun republicans.

4. Get back to it's roots. For over 100 years the NRA was not into politics. Firearms safety and education is highly important.
 
They represent me just fine.

Another fact for you is that if the NRA gets out of politics our second amendment rights will get further restricted.
 
Boy that was a long rant.

If you are unhappy with the NRA trying to protect the 2nd amendment then you might move to one of the States where the 2A is limited or nonexistent- like New Jersey, Maryland. California or Washington DC. Better still move to a different country where owning firearms has been banned or severely limited like England or Australia.

good luck- oldandslow
 
Well then if you do not like the NRA then do not join them, that is your right and the freedom we have in the USA. I personally agree with most of the stuff they promote as well as the gun industry.

You need to do a little more research as it was the Democratic Party putting Jim Crow laws in place that kept poor whites and blacks from acquiring firearms long before Reagan did his thing.

You act like every gun owner loves Reagan, well I am not one of them and do not agree with a lot of stuff he did and I personally feel that Obama does want to ban gun and would if congress would give him a bill to sign or if he felt he could do it with executive order without causing a civil war.

These are my thoughts and you have yours and we will have to just agree to disagree.
 
My eyes glazed over pretty darn quickly reading the OP - chock full of half-truths and conveniently omitted real story behind some of his points for the low information voter.

One could answer point by point, but after looking at the join date and number of posts, sounds like nothing more than an anti-2nd Amendment troll that's not worth the time.

Despite your attempt to drive a wedge between those of varying shooting disciplines (divide and conquer), the NRA represents me just fine, thankyouverymuch.

I'm sure the NRA would absolutely love to get out of politics, but it's not that kind of (political) world any longer.

Quite the contrary - I've seen a number of local gun owners that have had their eyes opened over the last few years by the way the media and politicians treat anyone that supports the 2nd Amendment.

Sorry...I am a gun owner and I AM THE NRA!
(Just like the rest of these everyday Americans)

1. Marcus Luttrell - Freedom's Safest Place | My Freedom
2. Dana Loesch - Freedom's Safest Place | Moms Like Me
3. Sheriff David Clarke - Freedom's Safest Place | My Honor
4. The Greek fellow - Freedom's Safest Place | My Story
5. Wayne LaPierre - Freedom's Safest Place | Carol Bowne
 
First, I smell a rat. I've read enough troll posts in the Reader Comments on Yahoo, AP and Reuters posted under screen names like Viva Satire, Carl, Carl Landis, Surf, Dave, Jessica and We Distort You Decide to know one when I see one.

Second, if I could calm down long enough I would point out the various anti-gun measures Obama has adopted, mostly through unilateral executive orders, his failed attempts at urging Congress to pass additional gun laws and the moves by his agencies to limit gun rights.

Third, just because I am not a dues paying member of the NRA doesn't mean I and they don't agree on most major issues.

Fourth, if you are going to suggest the NRA be disbanded what about political pressure groups like Everytown and Moms Demanding Action?

Back to my first comment, I smell a troll or a rat.
 
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What exactly DID Obama do during Term 1?

February of 2010- Allowed loaded firearms to be carried in the Grand Canyon and other national parks.
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Well, sorta...

It was a rider on a credit card reform bill.

He did sign the credit card reform bill into law, but he certainly didn't engineer, or even explicitly back, the amendment the Senate added to the bill.

In a surprising move, the Senate voted 67-29 on Tuesday to attach a measure that would allow guns in national parks to a bill that cracks down on credit card fees.
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Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., saw an opportunity to grab on to a comparatively fast-moving target, since lawmakers are under the gun to finalize a credit card bill in the next 11 days.​

http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/14/news/economy/creditcard_guns/index.htm?postversion=2009051417
Who exactly made it illegal in the first place?

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and replaced President Ronald Reagan's policy of required guns be locked in glove compartments of trunks of car that enter national parks.
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Yeah, that's not right at all. The rules, in question, enacted during Reagan's administration didn't make anything illegal, the rules actually lifted some of the previous restrictions.

Before Ronald Reagan's presidency, guns were not permitted in our national parks. Reagan signed a law, the beginning of mission creep, that let gun owners carry unloaded firearms or store them inside while visiting national parks.​

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/guns-in-national-parks-destroy-peace-tranquility/1209487
Ten months later, as part of an omnibus spending bill, Obama reversed a decade-long ban on transporting firearms by train. Amtrak travelers can now carry unloaded, locked weapons in their checked baggage.


Another pro-gun law penned by a Dem?! Ah! I can't take this pain!
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The law was certainly not "penned by a Dem". Again, it was a rider added by Republican Senator. This time to a transportation funding bill. It tied up $1.5 billion in Amtrak funding if their firearm policies were not brought into rough parity with what is allowed on airlines.

This Sept., Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Miss., attached an amendment to a transportation funding bill that made $1.5 billion in Amtrak funds contingent on once again allowing train travelers to transport firearms in checked baggage.​

Again, Obama did sign the overall bill into law, but again, he wasn't behind the creation of the amendment the Senate added to the bill nor did he explicitly back it.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/congress-passengers-bring-guns-amtrak-trains/story?id=9290167
2nd, all of what I am about to tell you is fact. In fact, feel free to look it up.
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I went ahead and provided quotes AND links so nobody has to spend time looking anything up. ;)

I'm sure someone with a little more motivation will do a point-by-point of the rest of your screed, but that's all for me...
 
You need to do a little more research as it was the Democratic Party putting Jim Crow laws in place that kept poor whites and blacks from acquiring firearms long before Reagan did his thing.
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That's a straw man argument. Neither the ideals of the Republican nor Democratic Parties are the same now as they were over 125 years ago.
 
Lemmee see...around 3 or 4 posts by this newbie and so far he's called us:
1. Absurd.
2. Paranoid nut cases.
3. Liars.

Not too shabby...averages out to around one insult per post!

I assume we can expect him to keep up his average? :scrutiny:
 
Well it appears so far that everyone who read my thesis missed the point.

IF the NRA would get out of politics and instead serve as a non-partisan support of the 2A, I would consider joining.

But I've seen the NRA and it's member base openly bash Obama, and despite what little truth you discover, I can discover 10 times as many lies the NRA has spoken.

Let's start here:
http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/nra-misfires-on-federal-gun-registry/

I will admit that I am a Democrat, and support the 2nd amendment. Why does that make me bad? Do I have to be a republican to support the 2nd amendment, or the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc?

Why should the 2A be a partisan issue? Why can't Democrats support it? If you call out Democrats for supporting the 2A as a "conspiracy", then why should we support it? You are only shooting yourself in the foot.

The NRA's board of directors is mostly republican, even Ted "poopy pants" Nugent is on there.

If you want the left to support 2A, STOP MAKING IT A REPUBLICAN ONLY TOPIC.

It's really that simple. Stop attacking Democrats who support the 2A, stop calling them liars, "anti's", etc.

You will NOT gain support of the 2A from the left if you don't allow them to do so. I cannot make it any more clearer than that.
 
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Well it appears so far that everyone who read my thesis missed the point.
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:D

Ok, that's pretty funny. Although your "facts" are more or less bankrupt, you still think that people should give your opinions weight? The opinions you formed on the basis of information that is at best heavily "spun" and at worst simply incorrect?

I don't think you're going to get a lot of traction with that approach, but I will give you credit for being creative and persistent.
 
That's a straw man argument. Neither the ideals of the Republican nor Democratic Parties are the same now as they were over 125 years ago.
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Reauthorize assault weapons ban, close gun show loophole
We will protect Americans’ Second Amendment right to own firearms, and we will keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists by fighting gun crime, reauthorizing the assault weapons ban, and closing the gun show loophole, as President Bush proposed and failed to do.
Source: The Democratic Platform for America, p.18 , Jul 10, 2004

Strengthen gun control to reduce violence
Democrats passed the Brady Law and the Assault Weapons Ban. We increased federal, state, and local gun crime prosecution by 22 percent since 1992. Now gun crime is down by 35 percent. Now we must do even more. We need mandatory child safety locks. We should require a photo license I.D., a background check, and a gun safety test to buy a new handgun. We support more federal gun prosecutors and giving states and communities another 10,000 prosecutors to fight gun crime.
Source: 2000 Democratic National Platform as adopted by the DNC , Aug 15, 2000


http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democratic_Party_Gun_Control.htm
 
We should require a photo license I.D., a background check, and a gun safety test to buy a new handgun.
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That's exactly bad because??

Cars, like guns can kill people.

Just try driving a car without a license which you must get only after completing a drivers education course..

But oh..that's right, we can't ask for that. So when the guy who was locked up for 30 years for killing his family can waltz into Pete's Gun Shop and buy a new handgun, no questions asked.

You DO realize background checks have provided a metric crap ton of crime prevention?
 
As I try to calm down, you want to know what Obama has done, specifically, to take guns away from Americans? Okay how about August 2013, in response to Sandy Hook, Executive Order number 24 or 25 depending on how you count them. a Quote from an online publication at the time, I regret I didn't notate the source but it would be easy enough to search and discover.

"Additional Executive Orders Announced
One new policy will end a government practice that lets military weapons, sold or donated by the U.S. to allies, be re-imported into the U.S. by private entities. The White House said the U.S. has approved 250,000 of those guns to be re-imported since 2005; under the new policy, only museums and a few other entities like the government will be eligible to re-import military-grade firearms."

While this sounds like Obama was trying to stop the flow of modern military weapons into the US what it really did was shut down the re-importation of World War II era battle rifles like the M-1 Garand and the M-1 Carbine, neither of which are common weapons used to take down the corner liquor store. What this did do was effectively shut down a very popular program called the CMP or Civilian Marksmanship Program that made these highly sought after collectible rifles available to the public at a reasonable cost.

And what did one of his agencies attempt to do without any visible dissent by him?

Attempted 5.56 Ammo Ban – February 2015
Most likely under the directive of Obama senior staffers, the ATF tried to ban M855 ball ammunition, the most popular ammunition used by American citizens for decades in their legally configured AR15 rifles. Thankfully Congress saw through this one and stepped in blocking the ATF from following through with the ban.

In addition to these moves, Obama has made statements from his bully pulpit urging congress to enact stricter gun laws after every so called mass shooting with the definition of mass shooting appearing to involve two or more people, with the exception of the ongoing daily gun violence in heavily regulated towns like Chicago and Detroit. You can't convince me he wouldn't ban all private ownership of firearms (except those owned by criminals) if he had the power or opportunity.

So which one are you? Viva, We Distort, Carl Landis?
 
Just try driving a car without a license which you must get only after completing a drivers education course..
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If you drive the car on your own property, you need none of that.

Driving a car is not a constitutionally protected right...to keep AND bear arms is...
 
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We should require a photo license I.D., a background check, and a gun safety test to buy a new handgun.



That's exactly bad because??
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Because I firmly believe that once such a requirement is in place the expense and difficulty of obtaining said permission will become unnecessarily excessive. Want proof of my presumption? Look no further than the budget impasse/sequestration. How did Obama's goons react to that? The first thing they did was put up barricades around open air monuments on the Mall in DC. Monuments that do not on a regular basis have guards posted at them. This move was a deliberate poke in the eye of the American people for allowing the budget impasse. This was a "I'm going to do everything I can to immediately inconvenience the American voter" move and a tactic I predict would be used if UBCs or testing was ever put in place.
 
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Most likely under the directive of Obama senior staffers,


Most likely does not mean fact. Prove it and then I will believe you..
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They didn't get the idea from the tooth fairy.
 
While this sounds like Obama was trying to stop the flow of modern military weapons into the US what it really did was shut down the re-importation of World War II era battle rifles like the M-1 Garand and the M-1 Carbine, neither of which are common weapons used to take down the corner liquor store. What this did do was effectively shut down a very popular program called the CMP or Civilian Marksmanship Program that made these highly sought after collectible rifles available to the public at a reasonable cost.
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Um..no! That is utter BS.

Obama's opposition to the CMP EXPANSION had to do with HAND GUNS not rifles.
 
So when the guy who was locked up for 30 years for killing his family can waltz into Pete's Gun Shop and buy a new handgun, no questions asked.
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Yup...he's got all the anti-2nd Amendment talking points down pat!

Yeah...my record is spotless, and darn if I've ever been able to "waltz into Pete's Gun Shop and buy a new handgun, no questions asked."

Maybe I need to rethink this whole life 'thang...perhaps I should start committing felonies so I can then waltz into the gun shop and buy a gun, no questions asked! ;)

Sure would save a lot of time not to have to fill out those forms...
 
Look no further than the budget impasse/sequestration.
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Really wanted to bring that up, did you?

Let's not forget..

with cuts to programs including food stamps, Dodd-Frank and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
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Yes, let's cut funding for food stamps, and affordable health care, I can almost hear the start of a second civil war..
 
Yeah...my record is spotless, and darn if I've ever been able to "waltz into Pete's Gun Shop and buy a new handgun, no questions asked.
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So you are pretty much saying you don't want BG checks so the next guy can do the same, who could be a ex-con?

Your logic is at best...amusing.
 
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