Why Pre-ban?

[444]

I guess you could make that argument, but what snaps me in threads like this is the typical attitude that the poster knows everything and can decide for the rest of us what is useful, what we need, what is stupid. Because what they have decided is the last word on the subject.

 

[TechBrute]

I guess you could make that argument, but what snaps me in threads like this is the typical attitude that the poster knows everything and can decide for the rest of us what is useful, what we need, what is stupid. Because what they have decided is the last word on the subject.

The whole idea of this board is for people to state their opinions. Come to think of it, you didn't even address the subject at hand.

 

[444]

Actually, if you re-read the thread, I addressed the topic earlier.

Expressing your opinion would be something like: I personally have no use for a pre-ban rifle.

Pre-ban rifles are stupid is something else.

But hey, I am just expressing my opinion.

 

[TechBrute]

<as techbrute wanders off with foot in mouth>:banghead:

 

[444]

No really, I realize that my comment was kind of abrasive, but let's face it, there are various reasons why someone might choose to spend the premium for a pre-ban rifle. You can't just dismiss it out of hand.
Hey, for all we know, there are guys on here that have enough money that paying an extra thousand dollars for a rifle for no reason at all might not even give him cause for thought.
Keep an open mind, something that may seem stupid for your circumstances might be just the thing for someone else.

 

[ShaiVong]

I've spent several hundred dollars on steel plate armor, and a couple swords and maces... We have guns now, so am I stupid?

Tell the guys over at the edged weapon forum

its all about what YOU want, not what somebody ELSE thinks you NEED.

 

[Byron Quick]

Gotta watch the Senate too.

The Senate might pass it...so what if the House refuses?

its all about what YOU want, not what somebody ELSE thinks you NEED.

Exactly.

I own a preban HK91 and a selective fire Uzi. Paid preban prices for both, thank God.

Question? Will Bush I's executive order banning certain rifles be affected? Or will it still be in force?

 

[Hkmp5sd]

If the house doesn't pass it, the entire thing is dead. A bill has to be approved by both houses of congress before it can be submitted to the President for signature.

There isn't really an executive order banning certain rifles. Bush (41) directed ATF to re-evaluate certain rifles for the "sporting" uses. Any rifle ATF decided wasn't a sporting firearm was banned from importation. That is still in place. There is a way around it by using a given number of made in USA parts with a mixture of foriegn parts and assembling them in the US. ATF doesn't consider these as imports, so their totally legal.

 

[DMK]

If the house doesn't pass it, the entire thing is dead. A bill has to be approved by both houses of congress before it can be submitted to the President for signature.

Who knows what's going to happen in a year, but if the Senate passes a bill and the President supports it as he said he would, that would leave the House Majority Leader holding up the whole works. God bless Tom DeLay for his stance so far, but that will be a lot of political pressure on him. He might soften and allow a House version of the Senate bill to see some daylight.

All I'm saying is we haven't won the war on the AWB yet. Heck, we haven't even won any battles yet. The only thing that's happened so far is lines are being drawn and sides are being chosen.

There isn't really an executive order banning certain rifles. Bush (41) directed ATF to re-evaluate certain rifles for the "sporting" uses. Any rifle ATF decided wasn't a sporting firearm was banned from importation. That is still in place. There is a way around it by using a given number of made in USA parts with a mixture of foriegn parts and assembling them in the US. ATF doesn't consider these as imports, so their totally legal.

That's a great point! I keep seeing folks who think that when the AWB sunsets, we will have the glory days back with AK, SKS and HKs galore. Imports will still be banned. We will only see changes in U.S. made arms and magazine capacities.

 

[Onslaught]

I've spent several hundred dollars on steel plate armor, and a couple swords and maces... We have guns now, so am I stupid?

Depends... Is that a pre-ban mace with the spikes on it, or a post-ban mace with the rubber balls?

I guess you could make that argument, but what snaps me in threads like this is the typical attitude that the poster knows everything and can decide for the rest of us what is useful, what we need, what is stupid.

Or put another way:
If we were all just alike, you wouldn't have anybody to flip off in traffic!
That is my other arguement, but I had to choose between to pet peeves

I call it the "Bill Ruger" statement of false omnipotence... for obvious reasons

 

[Steve Smith]

Thank you guys for self-moderating

Riflemen are definitely some of the more "sane" (if I may) and I appreciate you guys taking care of yourselves in this thread. Especially since this is the first time I've looked at it in a long while.

 

[444]

Steve:
We all enjoy and respect one another, and value each other's opinions. But, I for one can't resist a good argument, although I make an effort to try to keep it civil, although I dont' always succed.

 

[<SLV>]

Are there any differences between pre-ban ARs and those available today ("post ban end")?

 

[Urbana John]

<SLV> Where and WHY did you dig this thread up????

The last post before yours is 5/16/2003!!!!!

I wondered "***" before I noticed the dates!!!

Carry on----I don't really know the answer (s) to your question

UJ

 

[deercop]

No differences that I'm aware of. Aside from a serial number search to determine date of manufacture, if the model hasn't changed, I don't know how you would tell a 1993 gun from a 2008 gun.

That doesn't seem to stop some dealers from trying to recoup some of their investment by hawking the fact they're "pre-ban". Unless of course you live in certain state, and the only fun guns you can have are preban.

 

[highorder]

the ban is gone, as is any discussion about evil features with it. (unless you live in a ban state; I dont know where they are, buy Ohio isn't one of them.

 

[Dobe]

That was scarey. I thought "Did I miss the election?" "I haven't finished stocking up on mags". "I have another AR to buy."

I'm back in Kansas now. Life is much better.....for now.

 

[cracked butt]

Isn't kind of weird that only a few years ago the things on the poll list were considered expensive accessories to buy a pre-ban gun for instead of standard features on nearly every rifle sold today?

 

[hoji]

WOW Who pulled the stake out of this one ? And why?

 

[TexasRifleman]

Who pulled the stake out of this one ?

Man no kidding..... ZOMBIE THREAD!!!!!!

But it's kinda funny to read back now and see how we were then. That ban sunset felt like it was never gonna get here didn't it?

Can't let them do that sh*t again.......

 

[gaweidert]

Some of us live in states where pre ban and post ban still mean something.

 

[Mot45acp]

I dont get it.

If the resurrecting poster would have posted this as a new thread everyone would get on him/her for not using the search function.

 

[Eightball]

I was scared crapless for a second, then noticed "hmm, this is a ZOMBIE!"

What calibre for zombie threads? I'm thinking something in the ".MOD" range....

 

[GBExpat]

Just an informal poll. Why would you spend the extra $500+ to get a preban AR-15? Or would you?

I would not.

 

[sanglant]

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