Why the NRA is against UBC

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I believe the NRA is against UBC's because they are not effective in controlling or impacting crime. Even the NICs checks where people "fail" are not prosecuted. I would be willing to bet that of the 1% of declines on the NICs check, the vast majority are mistaken identities and later go through. But the rejection is "logged" and used by the anti-gun crowd.

If there is money involved with the NRA, it is money contributed by their membership. But the anti's like to blame both the NRA and evil profit grubbing corporations. It is all bs.

I favor better reporting of mental illness but it needs to be carefully defined. I am comfortable with the way the law is now.
 
Ultimately, regardless of how the law may be written NOW, a UBC WILL become a defacto gun registration database.

All it takes is a subsequent change in the law, even if it would be currently written to say otherwise.

This is also a big factor in why the NRA is against it.
 
My ulcer was acting up while I read the cnn piece........:banghead:

No wonder gun owners get no respect. :(


Lateck,
 
Yes, because operating in a morass of vague and ambiguous rules coupled with draconian penalties while being routinely publicly accused of taking joy in the murder of innocents is such an awesome way to move product. Do these morons understand that their uninformed screeching moves more guns than any gun industry ad campaign ever could?

I'm not an AR guy, never liked the gun, never was really interested in owning one. Found out someone had a couple of 80% receivers they didn't want, took them both. I"m going to complete them completely off the books. Please tell your relative for me that I - not some evil corporation, some working dude in a swing state - is making multiple will-never-be-registered zero-background-check firearms just to spite people like him. So thank him for me.
 
I don't understand the logic in why manufacturers are afraid to lose profits due to a UBC. if someone isn't going through a background check to purchase a gun, more than likely it is a private sale and none of that money will go to the original manufacturer anyways.
 
I tell my friends from now on who say this kind of thing that it is news to me what or why the NRA acts, because I AM THE NRA as are millions of others.
 
A background check requires a valid ID. I'll consider requiring background checks when buying a gun as soon as photo IDs are required when voting.
 
some working dude in a swing state - is making multiple will-never-be-registered zero-background-check firearms just to spite people like him.
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This is THE MOST OUTSTANDING QUOTE OF THE NIGHT. My hat is off to you, sir!

Fortunately, not only are you correct, you're just one of MILLIONS keeping off the books.
 
I try to reason with him. Even explain to him how his gun sitting for a friend working in Europe would be an illegal transfer with UBC and would require doing paperwork to transfer and a background check for him to receive all of them and then again for his friend when his gets back. His response was this.:

"I have no issue with gun ownership but purchasing and owning a gun is a huge responsibility and it should be more difficult than buying a hamburger at McDonalds."

:banghead:
 
One of the letters I wrote my representatives I told them not to believe that the NRA is only out for the gun companies, there are almost 5 million people in the NRA, urging them to oppose gun control and the "universal background check".
 
The extreme left and right don't deal in facts. They deal in fear.

Like the 94 assault weapons ban had no effect on crime even according to DOJ stats, expanded back ground checks will not stop mass shootings.

An easy check to do is apply it to past shootings such as sandy hook. It wouldn't have stopped that incident.
The parents of those dead kids have allowed themselves to be paraded in front of the media to promote a political agenda. They are puppets in a play.

Taking the little bit of time to educate oneself is the key to most anything rather than take the latest 30 second news blurb as gospel. But people are lazy and easily influenced. Jim Jones followers continue to grow with the manipulating media and lazy minds.
 
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Even if there was verbaige specifically written in the fed law requiring UBC for no national registry, your purchase is being registered. FFLs are required to maintain that documentation for a good number of years and required to provide an audit of those records when requested. And if they close shop, they have to surrender their records. Last I bought every detail of that handgun (make, model, serial number) was documented on that form.

Just because your purchase is not registered at the national level doesn't mean your it's not being registered. :rolleyes: Those who don't recognize this are buying in to watching one hand while the other is doing the dirty deed.

Andy
 
22-rimfire said:
I favor better reporting of mental illness but it needs to be carefully defined
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The NICS database already contains substantially more mental disqualifications than criminal disqualifications. One area of concern should be that the current number of incarcerated criminals is much larger than the number of names of criminals accumulated in NICS since its inception.
 
well with our justice system, the ranks of felons is a large untapped market. The Evil Gun Industry seems to do just fine without this market segment. This market segment has produced its own market, as expected.

Secondary sales, which are the target of a UBC, don't affect the Evil Gun Industry in a positive way. They make no money off a secondary sale and potentially lose a customer who would have purchased new.

Like all manufacturers they would enjoy having a complete ban on resale of what they produce. Anything that makes it more difficult or expensive to buy used pushes people into the new market and increases manufacturer revenue.

The premise in the OP is backward.
 
I didn't even have to skim-thru it, seeing it was regurgitated by CNN (Communist Network news),, there is no reason to even give their "opinion" any merit.

They will continue to spew garbage like this, as long as they have an audience
 
How come nobody on the left has come out and declared what a "UBC" really is ?

What is involved ? how far into your family tree do they dig ?

Would my parent and my siblings previous employment in law-enforcement, automatically qualify me as "safe" to purchase a firearm ?

Or how about the child of that same sibling (my nephew) who has had multiple assault and drug charges throughout his life, would that raise a red-flag as he may potentially come into contact with me or my weapons ?

What IS a "UBC" ??
 
Apparently he and the author are under the belief that the NRA is being controlled by those "evil corporations"
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I've heard this claimed as fact buy a number of so called "news reporters". They often state that the gun industry funds the NRA as some kind of front for them.

I don't doubt that various gun companies contribute to the NRA but I find it hard to believe they "own" the organization. Can anyone point to factual documentation of how much money NRA recieves from industry versus from private citizens? I'd love to have that info in my pocket the next time I hear someone make this claim.
 
I read that article on my phone yesterday and just laughed. I think it was originally on slate.com. I always wonder when I read crap like that, or something on Obamacare, or any other topic, whether they really believe what is coming out of their pen or are just coming up with stuff to scare people. I think it is a combination of the two.
 
The thing that these legislators don't talk about with the UBCs is the cost and inconvenience to the consumer. It means trips to a gun shop, paying the gunshop (FFL dealer) for a background check, and then turning the gun over. I suspect the dealer will probably have to log the firearm into their book as a transfer which further adds to the paper trail and documentation on private transfers.

Of course we know how many feel as they are proposing another sin tax increase on tobacco products and I suspect in the future there will be a gun/ammunition sin tax that is built into the price.

You see what "they" really want is to make guns evil and have been training our youths (primarily non-minority kids) about the evils of guns, knives and so forth and at the same time promoting other social issues as been good.
 
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