Drgong
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though really, how many people who own guns for self defense go over jam clearing when they practace. 5%? At least with the revolver you just pull the trigger agian.
(Yes, I know it a personal choice...)
Why would anyone choose a Autoloader instead of a revolver?
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though really, how many people who own guns for self defense go over jam clearing when they practace. 5%? At least with the revolver you just pull the trigger agian.
(Yes, I know it a personal choice...)
rantingredneck
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Personal choice. I go both ways (no jokes there ).
Yes I do practice jam clearing at least every second or third range trip.
). Yes I do practice jam clearing at least every second or third range trip.
Phil DeGraves
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You put a dummy round in the magazine. This results in a failure to fire. A double feed (failure to extract) or "stovepipe" (failure to eject) must be set up. Use a timer to time how fast you can clear the malfunction and get a round off and get a hit.
dogtown tom
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Don't for one minute think revolvers are jam proof.
The VERY FIRST shot I ever tried with a S&W Model 10 .38 was the ONLY shot for the next five minutes.
Ever get a squib load in a revolver?
The bullet stuck in the forcing cone with enough remaining in the cylinder to effectively jam the cylinder. Took a screw driver, hammer, a roll of duct tape, three opinions and five minutes to free the cylinder.
The VERY FIRST shot I ever tried with a S&W Model 10 .38 was the ONLY shot for the next five minutes.
Ever get a squib load in a revolver?
The bullet stuck in the forcing cone with enough remaining in the cylinder to effectively jam the cylinder. Took a screw driver, hammer, a roll of duct tape, three opinions and five minutes to free the cylinder.
rantingredneck
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Yep ^
rantingredneck
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dogtown tom,
That's the thing. When you jam an autoloader it's typically easier to get it back in service. When you truly "jam" a revolver you've got a project on your hands.
If you just have a dud round in a revolver then you pull the trigger again. If you have the same condition in an autoloader you have to operate the slide.
Depends on the type of malfunction which has the advantage.
That's the thing. When you jam an autoloader it's typically easier to get it back in service. When you truly "jam" a revolver you've got a project on your hands.
If you just have a dud round in a revolver then you pull the trigger again. If you have the same condition in an autoloader you have to operate the slide.
Depends on the type of malfunction which has the advantage.
VARifleman
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You obviously haven't experienced a real failure with a revolver yet. If an auto jams, it can usually be fixed on the spot. A jammed revolver generally needs a gunsmith.
B.D. Turner
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I dropped a revolver while at a gunshow one time. It landed on the cylinder and bent the crane. It would not work at all. I like reliable my choice of weapons is a Springfield Armory GI 1911 A1 loaded with 230gr FMJ.
Thumper_6119
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Because I can.
Drgong
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the chances of a revolver having a falure that does not allow the wheel to turn is equal to the chance of the slide not working on a Autoloader, in both cases your FUBARed in a SD situation.
However a revolver does not fail to feed or stovepipe for example, and if you have a dud round, a revolver you just pull the trigger agian.
That, and some don't relize that my Tongue was planted in my cheek about the whole "Revolvers vs. Autoloaders" thread, as I clearly state that both are good options and use what you like.
However a revolver does not fail to feed or stovepipe for example, and if you have a dud round, a revolver you just pull the trigger agian.
That, and some don't relize that my Tongue was planted in my cheek about the whole "Revolvers vs. Autoloaders" thread, as I clearly state that both are good options and use what you like.
There was a pistolero named Bill Jordan who wrote an article back in the 70s about this. He was in a fight and drew his service revolver. The bad guy grabbed Jordan's revolver around the cylinder which prevented the gun from firing.
Jordan was advocating carrying a semi auto. 380 IIRC.
Jordan was advocating carrying a semi auto. 380 IIRC.
jackstinson
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And listen to the click click click click click click click after 5-7 shots.
What? You didn't have to post here first to get 30 replies on the only right way to fix it, 24 replies why revolvers are bad, 13 totally non-applicable off-the-wall replies about Hi-Points being junk, 11 replies slamming the .22LR's worthiness for self defense, 14 replies on why 1911's are best, then 14 replies to those about Glocks.........and a Bryco in a pear tree....
Hawk
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Yup - all in good fun.
In that spirit I would like to offer the following response to "why would anyone choose an autoloader..."?
Because revolvers can be ammo sensitive. I can run whatever factory brand I want through my auto.
Wait a minute...
What'd he say?! Isn't it the other way around?
Apparently not.
Cunningham on ignition woes
Am I reading that right? He's including STOCK revolvers?
I humbly submit that if you can't run factory SAAMI spec ammo through your revolver without light striking we need to abandon two old saws:
First: "Revolvers aren't ammo sensitive." It appears some are. I'd guess mostly those with action jobs but some stock examples as well.
Second: "Just pull the trigger again." If you've a hammer with integral firing pin you might try holding the trigger back and smacking the spur with a ball peen hammer. Or maybe the stuff will light on the second or third try. Maybe single action is an option - sure hope you're not rushed.
Actually, I wouldn't expect it's a big deal - just make sure your specific carry revolver doesn't have trouble with light strikes.
Oops! There goes another old saw: "only bottom feeder users need to verify that their firearm works with a given type of ammo".
Our world and welcome to it.
One of each?
How about a semiauto in a strong side holster and an airweight J frame revolver in the weak side pocket? Start with the semiauto and if it malfunctions, throw it at the attacker and draw the revolver with your weak hand to continue firing. What are the odds that both will fail?
How about a semiauto in a strong side holster and an airweight J frame revolver in the weak side pocket? Start with the semiauto and if it malfunctions, throw it at the attacker and draw the revolver with your weak hand to continue firing. What are the odds that both will fail?
jackstinson
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How about splitting the difference with a .455 Webley-Fosbery automatic revolver?
Who killed Thursby anyway?
Phil DeGraves said:
About once a month I load up 6 mags for my HD auto (HK USP) and in one of them I stick a snap cap or two. Toss them all in my range bag and hit the range for some practice. It always comes up as a surprise and is a easy way to practice clearing the gun and taking the next shot.
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That was Charles Askins, another old time pistolero and contemporary of Jordan's. Jordan was a dyed in the wool revolver advocate.
Drgong
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Harmonic, if you can hold a revolver cylinder so it will not rotate, you can hold back a Autoloader slide, heck, sticking it in the gut of most americans these days the belly would cause the gun to go out of battery
Lonestar49
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No problem via Colt or Kimber, for 3" starters..
Easy, as was in my case, just buy a 3" Colt Defender and you'll get plenty of jam, clearing, on-the-spot, experience, training, that will last a lifetime with any other automatic.. made automatic/instinctive, fast, and seemingly, easy.
With that in mind, or buy a Kimber (couldn't resist), given far greater ammo load-outs and far faster reloading times and 4 choices of trigger applications, be it DA/SA, DAO, DAK, SAO.. it's a semi-automatic given..
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Easy, as was in my case, just buy a 3" Colt Defender and you'll get plenty of jam, clearing, on-the-spot, experience, training, that will last a lifetime with any other automatic.. made automatic/instinctive, fast, and seemingly, easy.
With that in mind, or buy a Kimber (couldn't resist), given far greater ammo load-outs and far faster reloading times and 4 choices of trigger applications, be it DA/SA, DAO, DAK, SAO.. it's a semi-automatic given..
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All I've got to do to stop you from firing your revolver is grab it with one hand around the cylinder and stop it from turning. I don't need you to provide any resistance whatsoever. I just need to be able to grab your gun.
Your scenario with the autoloader means I would have to be able to grab your semiauto by the slide only, while you're providing resistance to enable me to push the slide back out of battery. That's not normal and it's not logical.
If I were to grab your semiauto by the slide to try to push it back, your natural instinct would be to pull the gun back away from me.
Disengaging a semiauto in the way you describe couldn't happen in real life.
Drgong
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We will agree to disagree Harmonic, as I think that the abilty to get a Autoloader out of battery is the same as not allowing a revolver to turn (Both would be hard to do.)
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