salt&battery
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so only highly trained warriors carry? are you one? my condolences to you for hillarys defeat
Will our new President Carry a Gun?
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I agree with those who say that a lot of this kind of talk is based in emotion, not any kind of factual information we actually have at our disposal. There is no indication that Mr. Trump is a gun guy.
Personally, I think a far better question is when did the USA got to a point where we are OK with different rules for different classes, and how do we get back?
What else do you call it when Trump can now carry a gun where ever and when ever he wants, but no one else can? Doesn't the rule of law suggest that we should all be treated the same?
*getting off my soapbox now*
Personally, I think a far better question is when did the USA got to a point where we are OK with different rules for different classes, and how do we get back?
What else do you call it when Trump can now carry a gun where ever and when ever he wants, but no one else can? Doesn't the rule of law suggest that we should all be treated the same?
*getting off my soapbox now*
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I don't know if he will carry or not, but I've always said if I was president, I'd have to go to every military base and shoot every gun at least once. I mean from the M4 rifle to the Abrams tank. Then I'd head over to the Navy and take some shots from the boats and ships, and then head to the Air Force for some target time.
I live close to Ft. Knox and before they moved the armor center I've seen dignitaries get shows with the Abrams tank and Bradley Fighting Vehicle. I always said I'd be like," Yeah, that's pretty cool, but let me see if I can hit anything with it!".
I live close to Ft. Knox and before they moved the armor center I've seen dignitaries get shows with the Abrams tank and Bradley Fighting Vehicle. I always said I'd be like," Yeah, that's pretty cool, but let me see if I can hit anything with it!".
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Do you think we got to this point overnight?
I don't know if it will be Trump or not but a President who carries a firearm with public knowledge and approves the same for the public will move the ball in the right direction.
No one has brought forward any proof that the President can pack a gun wherever he wants but I think it's a fine idea just like I feel the same for me.
Elkins45
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You should actually read the posts you are responding to before offering an unthoughtful, emotional response. Your comment is not High Road in any way.
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
Good point, but I suspect details about "whether or not" and so forth would be well-kept under wraps.
Terry. 230RN
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Sorry but I did read that you stated he was surrounded by "
I did read your quote correctly ? " He's surrounded by a bubble of the most advanced security the world has to offer ".
Is that the same "bubble" that allowed a man with [ luckily ] a knife to RUN IN THE FRONT DOOR OF THW W.H. ?.
The same "bubble" that allowed a few men to jump the fence and sprint to the W.H. door in FULL DAYLIGHT ?.
The same "bubble" that saw a few president shot and killed on their watch.
If it were my 1* as president = I want my own gun and y'all can kiss my butt in Macy's window if you don't like it.
OH and btw,how about running me and my kids through the same courses you take [ the Secret service ] using simunations and not live rounds !.
NO ONE will be better at standing in front of your loved one's than you ----- least wise that is how I see it.
So much for that "bubble".
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I can't speak for The Donald. For one thing, I can't copy his self-aggrandizing manner--but I don't take his bluff and bluster altogether seriously, either.
But if it were MY job to be prez, I would carry, and whisper in the right ears about advanced light thin body armor. It is, as above-noted, a job that can get you killed.
On my understanding, the Secret Service bodyguards would be working for me, not I for them. Someone who does not like me carrying I would hand an application to work for Wackenhut. Maybe Camp David barbecues would feature a few runs through the El Presidente drill just to be sure no one has had too much barbecue sauce.
Edited to add: Any Secret Service bodyguard who could not beat me in the Prez drill would be fired. Sounds reasonable to me.
But if it were MY job to be prez, I would carry, and whisper in the right ears about advanced light thin body armor. It is, as above-noted, a job that can get you killed.
On my understanding, the Secret Service bodyguards would be working for me, not I for them. Someone who does not like me carrying I would hand an application to work for Wackenhut. Maybe Camp David barbecues would feature a few runs through the El Presidente drill just to be sure no one has had too much barbecue sauce.
Edited to add: Any Secret Service bodyguard who could not beat me in the Prez drill would be fired. Sounds reasonable to me.
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I read it real good and that's why I said what I did. worry about your comment to me being "high road"
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I would guess I'm much better trained than he is, but no I don't pretend to be a warrior. 6 years in the navy in the 70's with BJU2, shot on the pistol team for a while, shoot 3 gun a few times a year, used to shoot IDPA a lot in the 90's and early 2000's. Now I'm old, bad knees, poor eyesight, but I still shoot regularly. I voted for Johnson, he may be uniformed but he seemed to lie the least of the candidates.
What about you?
I wonder when Hillary's trial starts? Has Mexico got their down payment for the wall ready?
C5rider
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concealed means concealed.
That means for the common joe at the supermarket and also for the POTUS, even on a gunnie forum.
That means for the common joe at the supermarket and also for the POTUS, even on a gunnie forum.
Elkins45
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You clearly did not, or you would have not made your Hillary comment.
Five years ago Trump was all for an AWB. Now he's Elmer Keith reincarnate? Get real.
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I'll ask again if anyone has even seen real evidence Donald has ever shot a gun, that's been made public. I'm lowering my bar to include shameless photo ops, hunting safaris, or blue-blood skeet matches at this time.
(also, why not a CZ75 or Arex Rex Zero, possibly in that order?)
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Okay, let's all take a *wild* guess as to which is the one he occasionally conceals
(also, why not a CZ75 or Arex Rex Zero, possibly in that order?)TCB
toivo
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That guy is from my home town. He went to the Navy, then NYPD, and then Trump's security. He's been with Trump for something like 15 years.
Twiki357
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I doubt that he would carry. Although while in the White House, if it were me, I would. Just look at all the fence jumpers including the recent one that got all the way inside. There may be a lot of Secrete Service in and around the WH, but I doubt they follow the President around while inside and I have absolutely no idea what kind of proximity they may have in the private residential section. I also wonder how effective the coverage is in the wee hours of the morning if a well-armed group actually rushed the gate.
One other reason for him to carry is just to thumb his nose at the DC gun restrictions.
One other reason for him to carry is just to thumb his nose at the DC gun restrictions.
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What on earth makes you think that you are actually going to see the attack coming? You seem to be overestimating your abilities to be everywhere at all times, too. As president, you aren't going to be with your family 24/7.
The fact that you think that a president having a firearm on his person would have made any difference in the examples you've given is truly disconcerting, and totally devoid of reality.
Once again, you seem to be associating a firearm with some sort of talisman.
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
If I ever design, build, and market a CC gun, I'm going to call it "The Talisman."
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my condolences to you for Hillary losing also. I hope you are not around any loaded guns
Elkins45
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I recommend you use Google maps to locate the nearest elementary school. Hopefully a kind person there will be willing to give you a refresher course in reading comprehension. No rational person could infer support for HRC from anything posting in this thread by anyone. It was a childish insult, and flinging it in my direction too just makes you look even sillier.
I have a long history in this forum and my pro-2A positions are well-established. You have a short history here, and it's looking increasingly trollish.
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I replied to a guy that denounced trump as an idiot a draft dodger and a coward so in your mind he is a trump supporter? you butted in for no reason and got insulted that I tried to console him about Hillarys loss. I suggest you get some coloring books and play dough
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Trump is and always was a Builder first. Being that, you deal with many shadey characters, "even the bosses", let alone Union Goons, and Wise guys, "gangsters".
They are heavily involved in the Cement Steel, Union, and labor Racketeering. Remember Hoffa?, It would make sense that when he was starting out, the thought occured that he may sometimes be in a position where he could need a gun, aside from the obvious idea that when you carry money and expensive Jewelry and cars, you are a target in just about every big city.
If I had to guess, having lived a few minutes from where he did, in Queens, and also having a Permit, "carry", that having it for such a long time, one becomes used to a gun being there. The idea of not carrying one after 20+ years of daily routine, can make you extremely uncomfortable. Especially if that gun saved your butt once or twice. I would imagine, that he would like the option of being able to carry, even if he didn't most times.
Like having one in the Bedroom like Reagan said, "just in case". We all know strange things happen, so why not opt to continue what worked before Pres or not.
They are heavily involved in the Cement Steel, Union, and labor Racketeering. Remember Hoffa?, It would make sense that when he was starting out, the thought occured that he may sometimes be in a position where he could need a gun, aside from the obvious idea that when you carry money and expensive Jewelry and cars, you are a target in just about every big city.
If I had to guess, having lived a few minutes from where he did, in Queens, and also having a Permit, "carry", that having it for such a long time, one becomes used to a gun being there. The idea of not carrying one after 20+ years of daily routine, can make you extremely uncomfortable. Especially if that gun saved your butt once or twice. I would imagine, that he would like the option of being able to carry, even if he didn't most times.
Like having one in the Bedroom like Reagan said, "just in case". We all know strange things happen, so why not opt to continue what worked before Pres or not.
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I butted in because you were flinging insults around like we are in third grade.
You are obviously one of those people for whom issues only have two extreme positions, and for whom only only one of those extremes must be correct. So to you the only possible option is sycophantic loyalty to Trump or fawning adoration of HRC. Those of us who live in the real world know better. Acknowledging the very real and very obvious flaws of Trump in no way implies a desire to support the other extreme. But burying your head in the sand and pretending DJT is the second coming of George Patton is just silly.
Trump has ABSOLUTELY NO record of action on 2A, and his record of stated positions is questionable at best. As I said earlier, just a few years ago he was all for an "assault weapon" ban. Now, because he needed us to win, he embraced the 2A cause. It remains to be seen how easily that position might be discarded during the "art of the deal" for something he wants. Blind faith is for the blind.
I'll tell you what: if your unicorn-riding idol whips out a piece and smokes some ISIS dude at a rally I will be happy to apologize. Or if he repeals GCA 68 or NFA 34. But up until then he's just another guy who said some stuff and made some promises. Whether he chooses to make good on them is something that very much remains to be seen.
So until then, knock it off with the childish insults. That's not what we do here.
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