Win231 metering

[Nature Boy]

HP38/Win231 meters very accurately through my Dillon powder system

 

[Soonerpesek]

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Tooooo many butt-hurts.......

 

[derek45]

Perfect in my DILLON powder measure.

It's a great pistol powder.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Perfect in my DILLON powder measure.

It's a great pistol powder.

I’m setting up HP-38 in my DILLON sdb, it should probably DROP MEASURES nicely

 

[WeekendReloader]

Win231 / HP-38 measures nicely using my LEE PPM.

Really, anything with small granules should measure nicely.

 

[loadedround]

To echo what others are saying, WW231 mters extremly well in my two Dillon reloaders, an RCBS, and a Redding powder measure that my son and I use in our reloading room.

 

[kcofohio]

Using a charge bar in Lee's Auto-disk, I can get down to 2.8 gr. that is consistent with W231/HP-38. At 4.0 gr.and lower, the charge bar's cavity is football shape. Titegroup tends to bridge at 4.0 and lower weights.

 

[irishlad]

No problem in my Little Dandy.

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

Win 231 - No problems holding consistent drops on both a Lee and Dillon.
As another poster stated, I also run a dozen loads through and re-drop to settle the hopper before I start loading ammo.

 

[GHinNH]

Well... As everyone is or should be aware by now, the chances of finding powder you want is like the chance of winning the lottery. I have been spending too much time searching multiple times daily for VV N320, W231/HP38, AA No.2.

I have seen W244/WinClean available here and there when no others can be found, so after some quick and dirty research I went ahead and bought 2 pounds. The claim is that it is a ball powder and "features precise metering"

W244 is not in the powder database of the reloading program I use yet, but according to the BallisticAssistant.com burn rate chart W244 is between Universal(faster) and Win AutoComp(slower). Since I have AutoComp and have used it along with my results and powder model, I know it is a bit too slow in .45acp for my taste.

All the indicators suggest W244/WinClean may be a suitable alternative to the old standbys, time will tell.

 

[Jim Watson]

If you look at Hodgdon data, 231 and 244 flip-flop a lot on loads for .45 ACP. Not much real difference.

 

[FROGO207]

My 55 is labled Ideal. It's that old. I find that although at times it can be fiddley when you get the sliders set it is even good at metering the corn flake propellants like 700X. Just use the knocker on hard to measure propellants and it works well. Oh BTW 700X is an excelent propellant for standard 230 grain 45 ACP loads if you find any of that.

 

[GHinNH]

My 55 is labled Ideal. It's that old. I find that although at times it can be fiddley when you get the sliders set it is even good at metering the corn flake propellants like 700X. Just use the knocker on hard to measure propellants and it works well. Oh BTW 700X is an excelent propellant for standard 230 grain 45 ACP loads if you find any of that.

The 55 takes a bit of finesse, or feel as you know. I did add the disclaimer that they aren't for everyone, but I'm quite content with mine.

Until I can afford an auto trickler or find one in a yard sale, I'm all done with flaky powder. I still have a 95% full pound of Universal thats a few years old taking up room in my powder box, I'm just waiting for the day I find somebody who likes that stuff so I can be rid of it.

 

[onegunred]

M-14, the Universal that you refer too, is it the ROSE colored stuff from Canada ?

 

[splattergun]

No matter the powder measure, no matter the powder, consistency in your method has a huge effect on your drop consistency.
Do the exact same things every pull, every drop and you will see more consistent results.
Some people give the measure a tap or 2, some people don't. But if you tap it, tap it in the same spot, the same impact and the same number of times EVERY time. If you don't tap it or shake it, don't tap it or shake it at all. Ever.
Develop your method that works most consistently with your measure, and be exactly consistent every drop. You will see a very good improvement in your drops, no matter the powder/measure combo.

 

[halfmoonclip]

Gave my 55 to a buddy, but I got great results from it. Up/two taps/down/two taps.
But Unique was the troublemaker, and I was always chasing weight.
Really haven't run much of it in the Dillon, which meters Bullseye very well.
But I concur with splattergun; technique does make a difference. With a progressive, there is less you can do, but I try to run the handle smoothly and at the same speed.
W231 shouldn't be a problem metering; used it in the Dillon, but Bullseye has become my go-to for most pistol loads.
Moon

 

[chamokaneman]

HP38 works pretty good in my Lee PPM.

 

[lordpaxman]

W231 meters very well for me. More importantly it produces very acceptable precision in the calibers I’ve tried it in. It burns relatively clean and produces little smoke.
If you’re ordering, I’d suggest also adding W244, it’s a bit newer powder but is really close to W231 and is worth a look at. Good luck.

 

[GHinNH]

M-14, the Universal that you refer too, is it the ROSE colored stuff from Canada ?

Yes it is, is that good or bad?

 

[GHinNH]

W231 meters very well for me. More importantly it produces very acceptable precision in the calibers I’ve tried it in. It burns relatively clean and produces little smoke.
If you’re ordering, I’d suggest also adding W244, it’s a bit newer powder but is really close to W231 and is worth a look at. Good luck.

See my post #35

 

[onegunred]

I have almost 8lbs of that crap and am about to toss it. It supposedly works okay in a Lee but not in a Uniflow. A tech. from Hodgdon told me that they have had other complaints about it. He said it has a coating on it for some marketing reason. It jams my measure as I am making a throw. I have used many lbs. of the Aussie Universal and really liked it. I guess I will buy some W231 when it shows up on the market.

 

[GHinNH]

Well that explains a lot...
That stuff would vary from -0.4 to +0.4 and never the same twice for me. With a total spread of 0.5gr to differentiate between min charge to max charge I'm not going to risk injury no matter what anyone says, and I'm certainly not going to trickle each round for a pistol caliber.

I know of trap shooters around here, so if I had more I'd see if they were interested in it, maybe recoup a little money.

 

[FROGO207]

If I were you I would take the time to build a custom scoop out of an empty brass and wire handle. Weigh a charge and dump it in the brass and note the depth. Dump it and fill it with epoxy to approximate depth. Then scoop a set of 10 and average the weight. Use a drill near the size of the brass to slowly shave, by hand until it measures what you want. Or simply trim the brass to get your scoop weight. Then use up the propellant.

 

[GHinNH]

Yeah... No scoops for me, I've never even considered using one and have enough of those things I will never use that come with Lee dies.

 

[cfullgraf]

Oh BTW 700X is an excellent propellant for standard 230 grain 45 ACP loads if you find any of that.

Me, too. I use alot of 700-X in 45 ACP, 230 grain RN loads. Even though 700-X does not meter as consistently as other powders, results out the barrel are very consistent.

I used W231 once upon a time in 45 ACP but I prefer 700-X and then Accurate #5. That said, I cannot give one a reason to n ot use W231.