winchester white box jhp(9mm) for defense?

[C-grunt]

Sara Bellum, what they are talking about in that article is round fragmentation like you see in .223. A .223 will fragment or shatter and that action causes massive tissue damage.These rounds are traveling at roughly 3000 FPS. Rifles injure not only by the traveling of the bullet, but the energy they create can destroy tissue in of itself. Handguns dont create this energy and therefore rely purely on the hole. In a pistol, a hollow point is generally considered better because it will expand and create a larger hole. A bigger hole destroys more tissue.

 

[HGUNHNTR]

Yes, the good stuff is better, your hide is worth a few extra cents a round isn't it?

 

[loplop]

Frangible != hollowpoint.

Frangible (page here): Frangible, or “soft,” rounds are designed to break apart when they hit walls or other hard surfaces to prevent ricochets during close-quarters combat.

Hollow point:
A hollow point is a bullet that has a pit, or hollowed out shape, in its tip, generally intended to cause the bullet to expand upon entering a target in order to decrease penetration and disrupt more tissue as it travels through the target

 

[GeorgiaGlocker]

No way. I use Speer Gold Dots either 124 gr or 147 gr GDHP for self defense.

 

[BushyGuy]

i use 115gr GDHP for summer they have a muzzle of 1200 fps and 368 FPE i use the 124gr Hornady Tap in the winter for deeper penetration . the 115 gr Gold Dots should be very effective around 12 to 14 inches of penetration while the Hornady close to 14".

 

[cleetus03]

Here's a random bloggers review of WWB 147gr 9MM JHP;

Winchester Ranger STX 9mm JHP vs Regular Winchester 9mm JHP​

http://www.kevinwebb22.com/?p=969

I’ve done some personal testing with a few different ammunition types and I am here to tell you what type of ammo to use if you use a Glock for self-defense.

I’ve tested many types of ammo including Hornady, Corbon, Winchester, Speer, Wolf, Blazer… and more.

I’ve settled on using the Winchester Ranger STX JHP over anything else for a few different reasons. Below is a quick-list of observations.

1. All ammo fed perfectly in my Glock, which is not surprising. The Glock will eat anything except for improperly made reloads and lead jacket… or bullets with no casing. The Glock barrel will expand if you use lead ammo.

2. The Winchester silvertips probably come in #2, but I was impressed by the expansion and pointed tips of the Ranger STX, which would help it eat through bone and hard tissue if necessary.

3. The cheap Wal-Mart Winchester JHP ammo actually held up nicely as you will notice in the pictures below. There was no fragmenting and the bullet completely expanded.

 

[Don357]

I personally use WWB defensive JHP in my 9mm's and my .45acp. I figure a well placed double tap of anything will stop or at least deter most "bad guys". If not, a second series surely will. Especially the 230gr JHP .45acp, although I don't imagine the 147gr JHP 9mm would leave him overly frisky either.

Many of those "high end" defensive rounds and LEO rounds were designed with preventing "collateral damage" more so than actual "perp stopping". Though the rapid expansion and energy transfer does a good job of that, it also prevents many through and through shots that may hit innocent bystanders, which seems to be a major legal consideration, especially since even the criminals are suiting and winning when they get shot committing a crime, thanks to the bleeding heart liberal judges like Sotomayor, and others. OOPS! Pardon me, here I go again, and we were talking about ammo. Anyway, you get the picture.

Don

 

[Gun Slinger]

If it's all that you can find (or afford) then go with the WWB in the weight (115 gr. or 147 gr.) of your choice.

It's a lot better than ball since it expands reasonably well and provides acceptable penetration.

I suppose that there is "better" SD ammunition available, but I wouldn't go hide under a bed if I found my "off-duty" pistol (Glock 17) loaded with it either.

 

[sidheshooter]

I don't have a firm opinion on the 9mm WWB, but the same in 230 gr .45 ACP is one of my favorite rounds.

Regarding denegration of "the cheap stuff" I will just add that Mas Ayoob has pointed out in print that all this WWB stuff used to come in boxes marked "Law Enforcement Only". It's a bulk bid thing.

Don't confuse inexpensive with ineffective, IMHO.

 

[dacavasi]

Yet another instance of generally confusing "quality" with "price". If you can't afford to consistently practice with whatever you intend to depend upon as your SD round of choice, then choose something that you can afford. If you can afford over $1 per round, and can practice with that ammo on a regular basis, and it makes you feel more confident, then by all means use it! But be aware that there are many kinds of ammo that are less expensive that you might have the same experience with. There is no universal caveat that dictates that the more money you spend, the better your results!

 

[freakshow10mm]

I've carried the 230gr load in 45 ACP before I handloaded. I wouldn't have any issues with carrying the 115gr 9mm load either. I'm still testing different bullets for my 9mm so when I carry it I just use 115gr ball handloads.

 

[beretta-neo]

I have used the WWB JHP for a while. However, I tried shooting into something at the range. When I recovered the bullet, it did not expand at ALL. I have since lost faith in the round and will give that Critical Defense ammo a shot.