Wisconsin Carry, Inc fast-tracking lawsuit against Madison Police Department

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" No offense jackpinesavages but that sounds like a 'contempt of cop' charge."


No offense taken, and you are correct. There is nothing more destructive to any PD than egos, and they get all out of whack during election years in particular when they FEEL a statement needs to be made.

This is why it is important to support this WCOrg. in a legal and productive manner: to send the statement back that we do NOT need PDs who are enforcers, but protectors of the Constitution they are sworn to. Their egos and false pride get all swollen up and the PDs forget who it is they SERVE.

I listened to the 911 Dispatch call and read the statement from Madison P.D.. The immediate inconsistencies between the initial call for service and the PD's initial statement can make this another landmark case. Join. Donate. Buy a t-shirt, but don't stand by and do nothing while the wrong message goes out. (I mean, the Dispatcher even TELLS the 911 caller that the Attorney General has openly declared OC as a legal activity!) Let's get behind these people and help keep their records clean and the laws on the books more clear.
 
You are welcome NavyLT. There are some of us who SHALL NOT tarnish the badge and WILL remain loyal to the law abiding citizens of this great nation.
 
There are some of us who SHALL NOT tarnish the badge and WILL remain loyal to the law abiding citizens of this great nation.
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It's too bad it's usually only those that don't that get the notoriety.
 
Donated. This is just about the most preposterous act of community dis-service committed by the MPD.
 
Went to the wisconsincarry site and listened to the conversation with the dispatcher. After hearing the dispatcher tell the caller that open carry was legal, and hearing the caller apologize in effect for making an unnecessary call, I decided to make a donation to the legal fund. I'll say again, it looks to me like the PD has provided a great case for us. Will continue to watch with great interest.
 
snubbies said:
Is it legal in WI for a felon to open carry a firearm?? If not, how is the police officer to know if you are a felon with out your ID and subsequent computer check. Some of your group provided ID some didn't. Was alcohol an issue? It just seems that failure to comply is over reaction. Now it is going to cost your organization and members time and money to address this issue. How is this different from the case where the police ask for your drivers license in a traffic situation?? Good Luck
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Is it legal where you live for the police to demand that you prove you're not a felon while eating your dinner out?
 
jackpinesavages said:
" No offense jackpinesavages but that sounds like a 'contempt of cop' charge."


No offense taken, and you are correct. There is nothing more destructive to any PD than egos, and they get all out of whack during election years in particular when they FEEL a statement needs to be made.

This is why it is important to support this WCOrg. in a legal and productive manner: to send the statement back that we do NOT need PDs who are enforcers, but protectors of the Constitution they are sworn to. Their egos and false pride get all swollen up and the PDs forget who it is they SERVE.

I listened to the 911 Dispatch call and read the statement from Madison P.D.. The immediate inconsistencies between the initial call for service and the PD's initial statement can make this another landmark case. Join. Donate. Buy a t-shirt, but don't stand by and do nothing while the wrong message goes out. (I mean, the Dispatcher even TELLS the 911 caller that the Attorney General has openly declared OC as a legal activity!) Let's get behind these people and help keep their records clean and the laws on the books more clear.
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I reside well north of the Mad city, up in Burnett county(the fishbowl). Madison is a city that is foaming at the mouth far left of center, way, way left of center. At one time in the past decade as I recall, they tried to BAN all handguns from the home, I believe forcing the owners to lock them up at the sheriffs office was what they were after at the time...
 
"Hello, 911? There are five BLACK PEOPLE two tables over from me at the Culvers restaurant. They are making me uncomfortable."

"No, they are just sitting there eating their lunch, all relaxed. Is that allowed? I mean, I would feel *awful* if they did something nasty and I hadn't report it."

I think it's a pretty good analogy, at least from the police's perspective.
 
Denalipark

Where I come from, Chicago, when a police officer asks you for your ID you give it to him. That is unless you have something to hide. I guess it comes from proper upbringing.
 
Snubbies, if you don't care about your rights that is fine but don't expect everyone else to roll over just because you are not willing to stand up for your self.
If an officer showed up at your house and said he wanted to seach it are you going to let him? What about if your are pulled over for speeding, are you going to let them search your car?

Where exactly do you draw the line? You need to draw it somewhere, actually its already been drawn for you, its called COTUS.

The clear problem the PD has with their case is they dismissed the two obstruction cites they issued and THEN issued all five people D.C. cites. :confused: If these people were truly in violation of the law (D.C.) then the obstruction cites would also be valid. :scrutiny:

jackpinesavages right on brother LEO, lets keep it real, and keep the U.S. what it should be.

NavyLT Hows Whidbey today? My father-inlaw lived up there for the last 18 years and just passed last July. Great guy we miss him. I always loved going up there to visit him and go crabing with him in Penn Cove. Amazing place.
 
Where I come from, Chicago, when a police officer asks you for your ID you give it to him. That is unless you have something to hide.

I guess it comes from [strike]proper upbringing[/strike] heavy handed big-brother brainwashing.
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The understanding of the concept of Liberty varies widely here in America.
 
Right. We have a family place west of Trego. 50K acres of public land for open carry and the best fishing in the world. ;-)


Snubbies: just stay in Chicago w/o your weapons and you'll be OK, OK?



" I reside well north of the Mad city, up in Burnett county(the fishbowl). Madison is a city that is foaming at the mouth far left of center, way, way left of center. At one time in the past decade as I recall, they tried to BAN all handguns from the home, I believe forcing the owners to lock them up at the sheriffs office was what they were after at the time... "
 
Highorder

In answer to your questions, If I had nothing to hide yes I would let them search. I guess I am old school but not narrow minded. I think you are upset because I don't march route step with your comrades in arms. Sorry
 
Snubbies, I was gonna stay out of this. I really was. But you are WRONG. It's not a matter of opinion. You are wrong. Period. Every one like you diminishes our rights. People like you is what is wrong with our country. If this gets me banned off this site, well guys, sorry, but that's the way it is. If you think cops are just there to take care of you and no wrong will come from complying completely even if you don't have to, well, that is a fools game. That BS about "If you have nothing to hide, then why don't you let us search your car/house/whatever." That's crazy.
 
Maybe it's not Snubs's fault. If a Chicago cop asks for your ID and you don't give it to him fast enough, he just might beat you half to death and then arrest you for assaulting *him*. Just like that drunk Chicago cop that beat up a barmaid because she wouldn't serve him another drink. Or he might shoot you, just for his own amusement (like Daley threatened a news reporter with recently)

I don't go to chicago. I can't tell the cops from the criminals. I'm not sure there's really a difference.
 
Question???

I have been meaning to ask WI residents, Is there a training or testing you must undergo for the open carry to be legal??? Can just anyone strap on a gun??
 
NO!!!!

I will take that as a NO. I would like the people carrying guns in public to be able to hit what they are aiming at and not an innocent party 2 blocks away. Who controls the possesion of firearms by felons, mentally ill under age individuals. If an officer sees a very young looking individual packing heat, would that be reasonable suspicion enough to stop and require ID??? An officer sees a known gang member with a gun on his hip. Is that reasonable suspicion to stop him??? An officer sees a known parolee with a firearm OK to stop and adentify???
 
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Another reason to love AZ...open carry legal and normal since we were The Arizona Territory.
The refusal to provide ID initially was the catalyst to the confrontation
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Based on what I read, the officers provoked the confrontation by violating the law, not the other way around. Based on the chief's reaction, he agrees. Definately "contempt of cop" charges, gonna drag that city into an interesting court battle. I wish I could donate to this but I may be temporarily unemployed myself soon. Best of luck to you!

Edit to add, snubbies, stay out of AZ, you'll die of panic induced heart failure. We allow any law abiding non-prohibited person 21 and over to carry openly or concealed without permit, FOID, license, registration, etc. Actually, 18 to carrry openly. The open carry has worked so far, for something like over 100 years. Constitutional Carry just started in July.
 
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i'm from madison, there is no required training or testing for open carry. I'm glad to see a thread on here about this topic. if you go to madison.com there are currently four or five articles about it. there are discussions attached to these articles were you may register and post your own comments on the issue. we need as many level headed rights advocates as we can get on that site, like mentioned madison is very left of center, and most of the comments are ridiculing these gentleman and very few of the people seem to care about our rights. Guns apparently make the people of madison so nervous they are willing to give up their rights in order not to see them. I would personally like to see WI get concealed carry but not with the current politicians, who seem to believe that criminals regard laws in the first place.
 
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