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Would a 4-Shot .45acp J-Frame Be Stupid?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Phydeaux642, Apr 5, 2011.

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  1. Phydeaux642

    Phydeaux642 Member

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    It kind of just popped into my head today. A 5-shot j-frame would be awfully thick at the cylinder, so, what about a 4-shot? Pressure limits shouldn't be a problem.

    I know, I know, what have I been smokin'?
     
  2. tekarra

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    I wonder if the hand would be able to rotate the cylinder through a 90 degree arc?
     
  3. Phydeaux642

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    You may have a point there. That would be some serious travel. Okay, maybe a 5-shot that would still be a bit smaller than a Charter Arms Bulldog .44 Special.
     
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    You'd have to deal with the rimless nature of .45acp too.
     
  5. Phydeaux642

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    Moon clips.
     
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    K frame size would be better IMO. Charter Arms Bulldog ( five shot .44spl, with a three inch barrel) had a neat idea with this gun, only for me and mine, the guns did not hold up to "our" use.
    [We shoot what we carry)

    .44spl is akin to 45 ACP, in being a low pressure round, and proven. So in my opinion, a "D" or "K" frame size, with a five shot cylinder, and three inch barrel would be better.
    Still concealable, just the power to weight ratio would allow for better control for first shot hits, and quick effective follow up shots.

    .44spl with speedloaders or quick/speed strips or 45ACP with the new polymer moon clips - either would work for me.

    Steve
     
  7. 9mmepiphany

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    I thought I remember someone thought it would work back in the 70s...it won't. There isn't enough room in the cylinder between the topstrap and the ratchet. There isn't enough room in a K-frame or a L-frame either.

    Remember that there is a pretty large difference between the diameter of the .44spl and the .45ACP. The body of the .44spl case measures, according to the Speer Reloading Manual, 11.58mm, while the .45 ACP measures 12.01mm
     
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    I think there would be no point in having a 4 shot, consider the chamber to chamber thickness vs. thickness at the outer radius of the cylinder which you really can't reduce. In other words 5 holes in a circle still seems like the ideal way to utilize the space you've got in a minimum radius while maintaining equal walls all the way around a chamber.
     
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    "Moon clips."

    Good point.
     
  10. XTrooper

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    Would a 4-Shot .45acp J-Frame Be Stupid?

    Yes.
     
  11. NG VI

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    Would a five shot 9mm J frame be stupid?


    No, I want.

    Would a five shot .40 S&W K frame be a workable thing? I think that owuld be pretty sweet myself.
     
  12. rdrancher

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    A steel, 5-shot j-frame would be hot! But we are dreaming here right? ;)

    The Charter Arms .45 ACP should be interesting...I hope...fingers crossed. I wouldn't mind a bit if they'd spruce their entire line-up a bit with some better fit and polish. Maybe a pro-shop type deal. It would drive up the price, but I bet they'd sell like hotcakes against Smith and Wesson's mediocre, standard lineup and Taurus's poor customer service.
     
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    Not a Smith, though

    Five shot, steel 9mm J frame = Taurus 905.
     
  14. SwampWolf

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    How about a 3-shot J-Frame chambered in 500 S&W? :eek:
     
  15. BADUNAME37

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    No, a 38 Special +P is enough.
    A 45 auto would not be that much more powerful, would it?

    A 500 would be out of the question due to massive recoil and severing fingers - unless it was made of some kind of metal twice as heavy as lead.:eek:
     
  16. SoulLessGinger

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    The balistics on .45acp out of a 1 7/8" barrel would suck...no thanks.
     
  17. temmi

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    No not at all... or a 45 colt
     
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    I want a J-frame "Chief's Special" with a short cylinder in 9mm. About like the old .38S&W guns, but rechambered for 9mm in moon clips. Not a .38 Special length cylinder.
     
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    I agree.
    The bullet would be about like shooting a 1/2" nut using a wrist-rocket sling shot.
    Accuracy would most likely be TERRIBLE!
     
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    I gather that is an impression, rather than experience...look up the R.I.C. Bulldog
     
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    Colt used to make a 4 shot revolver called the "Cloverleaf" It was 19th century stuff, but yea, there's no reason you couldn't make a modern revolver that way.
     
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    What was the barrel length on that Perfomance Center revolver with the really short barrel? The SW site seems down.

    It was tiny.
     
  23. Grey Morel

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    BBTI - 45 auto

    From a 2" inch contender barrel, standard 230gr loads made only 700fps - that gives only about 250 foot pounds - a revolver would produce lower numbers still, thanks to cylinder gap.

    Small frame, short barrel 45acp revolver = WEAK SAUCE. No real power advantage over standard pressure 38 special.
     
  24. BADUNAME37

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    The gun was a part of a distress kit Orange box, orange grip, and the barrel I believe was 2" (less one inch for the comp). It may have been 2.5"

    I have a 4" which is really a 3" barrel with a 1" compensator, I would not want any shorter than that.
     
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  25. rcmodel

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    A J-Frame in .45 ACP or .40 S&W simply is not possible, due to the size of the holes.
    There would be nothing left in the chamber walls.

    A .45 ACP or .40 S&W K-Frame is likewise impossible.
    The .38/.357 version is already maxed out on the barrel shank cut-out to clear the gas ring, and chamber wall clearance with .38 caliber holes in it is using up all the metal there is there.

    An L-Frame could be made in .40 S&W.

    It takes an N-Frame S&W to have enough metal in the cylinder to drill it out to .45 caliber.

    rc
     
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