Would this still be NFA?

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The Etronix is different because it is a bolt action. It is an inherently manual action. However, it would be illegal to make semi-automatic guns chambered in it. Because of this, it is a developmental dead end.
 
That looks a lot like the command-fired guns, and port-firing guns electronic firing device, fwiw...
 
You know, quite arguing with us here and just write up a proposal to the ATF already. Most of us here don't think it'll pass, but the ATF answer is the only one that counts.

But, like I said, don't be surprised if they pass an idea "on paper" and later rule it a MG after a physical prototype is built. Google "Atkins accelerator" for an example where they did exactly that.

Btw, leave out all that stuff about being a "Fan of the M2" and the mock-up box that holds a Ruger 10/22. That's irrevelant to your central question and clouds the issue.

You want a clear, unambigious answer and the best way to do that is to ask a clear, unambigious question.
 
the reason I am arguing on here is so that i can make a better case for myself, through peoples comments i can elaborate more on the design where i need to in order to make a clear concise argument, if i had just asked the atf i would have left soo much out that i probably would have gotten ruled against...my arguing makes my proposal stronger.
 
Have you experimented with this concept ?
Do you have a working mock-up of the concept ?
If you have a working mock up has anyone seen it or seen it in operation ?

I'll be clear about this
The BATF is not above using an application as grounds for obtaining a search warrant and or evidence against an applicant . Any evidence that a prototype exists including hearsay (read here "a confidential informant know to me") can not only be support for search and seizure but evidence in and of itself that the defendant has no opportunity to confront . If you don't believe me ask Kevin Mitnick .
If the BATF wants you all they have to do in anonymously mail an auto sear for your semi auto weapon and be there as you innocently take delivery . At the instant you take delivery you are guilty until proven innocent simply because you have in your possession the parts to create an NFA weapon .
So this is admittedly a lay opinion leaning heavily on anecdotal evidence and personal experience with local , state and federal law enforcement agencies over a 30 year period . I just want to inform the OP of the worst possible case scenario and caution that interpretation of the law can and is often self serving .

~kop

edit : "just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get ya"
 
but they would wait at my door only to search my house and realize that i dont have any of the components to build the device, nor do i have the 10/22 itself, i do not have anything even remotely able to build my design but the idea on this forum and a write up of my design....so i will invite them into my house and ask them myself if it is legal and for a signed contract stating that if the device is to be ruled as illegal then they must give me 30 days notice in person so that i may decommission the device itself.
 
Hi, being an 07 sot (mfgr) you are welcome my $.02, although it may not be worth that much! I don't think you wil have too much issue with your new toy being considered a M.G., but I do believe there may be a problem with the delayed ignition. (Safety issue)
They (atf) can be quite helpful working this stuff out before you spend too much on a problem laden project. A lot of the agents are decent folks, they wil help you stay out of trouble if you just talk to them and be honest. I have a few sample builds and never had a problem getting them reg. Or with complience inspections. Last time they visited I heard a knock on the door one morning and stumbled out to open the door in my underwear, still trying to focus and rubbing the sleep out of my eyes, his badge looked big as a freeway sign! But after I got dressed and stoped trying so hard not to look gulty they turned out to be very nice and polite.
Good luck!
Lessdrop. (New guy-first post so hi everyone!)
 
Why couldn't I pull the board out of a electronic frame paintball gun, solder the output to the solenoid of the paintball gun to the solenoid of your gun? wire cutters and a soldering iron is way easier than trying to mill a new sear. I think that falls under readily convertible
 
why not use a nail file and file down the catch on the trigger of an m-14? id say that would be easier than any soldering and wire cuting...but anyone that owns an m-14 can own a nail file, or that anyone who owns anything with a large enough bolt handle can also own shoelaces even though it is two knots from being a mg...both are very readily convertible...yet legal...
 
thegreatwrzesinski,

We're getting way too many oddball and almost certainly illegal flights of creativity suggested here for this thread to continue.

I appreciate that you're trying to explore your argument before discussing it with the nice folks at the ATF, but we've done what we can for you. Go write your letter now and let us know what they say.

While we could continue to theorize, the time comes, as they say, to make a movement or vacate the commode. ;)
 
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