Would you care if your CCW status was published?

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Darn skippy I would care! :fire:

-My brother and I both work a full week (his week, often 56 hours, is "more fuller" than mine), leaving our homes "ripe pickings" for gun-hungry burglars. There has ALREADY been a rash of sneak burglaries in a neighboring community, the last thing the local no-goodniks need is MORE incentive!

-Conversely, there are quite a few others around that WOULDN'T be on that list, and thus might be MORE appealing targets for robbery, or worse!

-The "powers that be" where I work are, for lack of a better term, blissninnies. To the point where they refuse to install even SILENT alarms for fear of "provoking" an armed robber that is already there. :rolleyes: So you can imagine what they think about the idea of employee self-defense.

I abide by their policies, but staying "under the radar" there is KEY to longevity.

-I mentioned a while back about a cousin that had been getting unwanted sexual dvances from a neighbor for YEARS. She told said neighbor the last time (WITHOUT my knowledge, permission, or approval!) something to the effect of me giving him a case of "lead poisoning" if he so much as laid a hand on her.

On one hand, me being on that list for him to see would give him the idea that I am indeed capable of doing so if needed. On the other hand, knowing that might just convince him to "do away" with me somehow before he fulfilled his sick wishes! :what:

So IMNSHO...if you say you wouldn't care to have your name and address and the fact that you CCW published, then you aren't really thinking about all the possible outcomes!
 
Lone Gunman, a lot of folks don't really care if you as an individual personally go to the courthouse and look in public records. That's not seen as the same as broadcasting that information to every Critter that's "out there".

The right to know isn't the same as the need to know.

Art
 
Why not take an ad out in the paper stating when you are going on vacation and be sure to note what kind of valuables you have and the date you are returning.

To those of you that say, who cares because everything about you is available anyway. :banghead:

I keep it a close secret, only very close friends and immediate family know that I carry.

True everything can be found if you know where to look, most the time it might only cost you a few bucks and sometimes its free. But not everyone can just jump on the internet and find your ss and address. Lets just make it easier for those criminals who cant.


What is a good reason to publish this information. Completely retarded logic. :cuss:
 
A public record is something that you go down to the county building to
view or look up on the county website using a name or address. That is
a reasonable use of public records. Taking all the public records of a specific
type and publishing them in a newspaper for purposes of media ratings and ad sales is not the reason public records exist. That is just media level backfence gossip. It's mean spirited, serves no public good and has the potential to cause harm. The practice of the media publishing such records
will eventually backfire on them. Citizens will demand lawmakers specifically
make data secret to keep unscrupulous editors from using the data to
increase ad revenues. The goal of advertising and publicizing these facts
is not the public good, its to sell more papers and garner more viewers. A poorer reason for public records to be public would be hard to find.
 
Publishing CCW

Yes, I object to publishing CCW information. For those who don't care who knows that they have a CCW, and will tell people, if they ask, I submit that you will NOT tell them your address as part of your reply. Also I don't think you will stand on the corner downtown with a bullhorn shouting that not only do you have a CCW, but here's my address. Yes it is a matter of "Public Knoweledge" , but if you read about how the Roanoke papers,"Reporter" found the information, he PAID $100.00 to the State Police to get the Information. Now this, in my opinion, makes it "Public", at the same time it also makes it "Public" who gets the information. This will deter all but the most determined crook. When you can pick up the local newspaper and find ALL CCW holders in the whole state, I find repugnant, no matter what the paper says the high minded goal was. Yes you can find out how to build a nuclear bomb in "Public" records, but should the "Newspaper" publish this for everybody to see. After all it is "Public Knowledge". It is a clear case of a "Reporter" with a agenda showing how he can create a controversity at will.
As a aside I looked up the Publishers, Editors and Reporters names, addresses and a lot of other information ( College, Clubs, Professional Organizations, spouses names, childrens names, schools, ect) and it took less than $20.00 and a few hours on the computer. If I kept at it I bet I could even get SSN's. If I published that on the internet, how long would it be before identity theft raises it's ugly head? Do I have more integrity than the paper? Damn right I do. Just because I CAN do it, doesn't mean that I will, or SHOULD do it. The "Reporter" has no integrity, and neither does his bosses. By the way her name is Wendy Zomparelli (56), Mike Riley,Editor, and the "Reporter" is Christian Trejbal Lives on School Lane, Christianburg VA.
Gee, that was easy. O C
 
I would just as soon hang a sign on the front door saying "I Have Guns In My Home, Come and Break In While Im Not At Home. " :cuss: :banghead:
 
yes i care. my local paper did the same thing about 18 months ago.

my wife and i have a restraining order against her crazy ex, and we pointed this out to the paper. our names disappeared pronto.

everybody around here started writing, emailing, etc. our state congress critters and now those lists are confidential.:D
 
My name and that I have a CPL, no big deal. It is a public license after all. Besides, I'd prefer to open carry if it wasn't so obviously discouraged here.

My address, SSN, etc. is a BIG deal...:fire:
The day that becomes "published" public info is the beginning of some serious crap....:mad:
 
I have no worry here in Florida as we have a law limiting access to the database.
 
Absolutely I would care. I don't care if someone can go down to the court house or sheriffs office and look me up to see if I have a CCW. I do care if some random schmuck at a news paper decides on his own accord to print the list of CCW holders with my name on it so every Tom, Richard, and Harry that picks up that days edition can see it.

The paper's freedom of press ends at my right to privacy and confidentiality.
 
I had this letter to the editor published 2/2000 on this very issue
Publishing a list of Larimer County concealed handgun permit holders was not only an invasion of privacy, but also irresponsible, undermining the benefit of concealed-carry permits, and putting both permit holders and the rest of the population at increased risk. Here's why:

One of the main advantages concealed carry permits is that the entire population enjoys a reduced violent crime rate if only a minute fraction, even 1/2%, of the population carries.

This communal benefit is only possible because a criminal does not know who is armed and who is not. Unfortunately, with a published list, this anonymity is removed, and an enterprising criminal now has a de-facto list of those not armed, namely, those not on the list.

Mr. Greiling alluded to another issue: increased danger to permit holders whose names were published. Of course, we understand that a criminal would be foolish to single one of us out for a personal, violent attack, however, many permit holders own more than one gun, and since guns aren't cheap ($400 to $700 is common), these permit holders are probably financially successful. Now your list becomes a veritable directory for criminals: If you wait until we're not home, you can steal firearms and other valuables from us. Why don't you just publish a map to my house?

In an apparent effort to stereotype permit holders, you mention that only 10% are women. If I were a woman, I would now be scared: any potential rapist now knows that there is a much lower chance that I am armed.

The recurrent theme of your articles, and Cherie Trine's quotes, is one of fear, that you "would want to know if a neighbor or co-worker is armed." I honestly don't know if you keep bringing this up out of a genuine misunderstanding or in an effort to portray a negative image of permit holders, and gun owners in general.

This fear is not grounded in reality. To obtain a concealed-carry permit, a person must pass both Colorado (CBI) and Federal (FBI) background checks, have no history of substance or alcohol abuse, no history of domestic violence, no history of mental problems, and no criminal record.

In short, just about the worst thing a person can do and still obtain a concealed-carry permit is drive too fast on the way to work! Concealed-carry permit holders are upstanding, law-abiding, level-headed members of the community.

Federal civil rights legislation forbids discrimination based upon race, creed, color, sex, age, religion, national or ethnic origin, physical or mental disability, and status as a Vietnam-era veteran. Since "gun owner" or "concealed-carry permit holder" is not one of these protected classes, you have opened the door for an employer to fire an employee because she has a carry permit.

Of course, whether or not you are allowed to carry at work is a term of employment -- a carry permit does not allow you to carry on company or private property if the owners don't want you to.

There is obviously more to the debate than "my right to know if my neighbor is armed" vs. "my right to privacy." It is imperative to understand that publishing the concealed-carry permit list can decrease the safety of our community, and endanger its individual members.

Another article, also published on February 20th, was titled, "No penalty for carrying gun on CSU campus." The whole idea of "gun-free" zones is ludicrous. The only effect such laws have is to disarm those legally carrying, and advertise to criminals: "If you want un-armed victims, come here." If a criminal is planning to rob, rape, or kill, he isn't going to care whether or not it's a gun-free zone!

The police have no duty to protect any individual citizen, it's been ruled over and over again in court cases. If a rapist or killer is attacking you, he isn't going to wait for you to dial "911". Each person is ultimately responsible for her own safety. Why are you promoting an anti-self-defense view?
 
I wonder how they (the writers and editors) would feel if we published the fact that they DIDN'T have a CCW on a large page?
 
This topic angers me a lot...

The newspaper said they published the list because "your neighbors have a right to know who around them owns a gun" They say that like having a gun is a bad thing. (which is what they believe) That same newspaper would never think to post a list of convicted felons or a list of convicted CHILD MOLESTERS in your neighborhood. I think knowing that is more important than knowing gun owners in your area. Why do criminals have a right to privacy but law abiding gun owners have none of the same rights in their eyes? VERY BAD!!!

The worst thing about it all is they gave criminals a list of all the gun owners in the area making them a mark for robbery. That can never be justified.
 
I'd be pissed. It's no ones business or right to publish this type of info.. It tells the BG's where to go to get guns, or at least attempt to. Those who print this are putting you in jeopordy.. Bad idea.


C
 
Is our use of the second ammendment something we should be ashamed of? Do we feel we need to hide our permits and defensive means? I don't and neither should anyone else.
There's a big difference between not being ashamed and having your privacy invaded without your consent. I wouldn't mind the world knowing I carried as long as I voluntarily put my name on that to be published list. I've effectively done so before with CCW advocacy letters. Having that choice taken away is something I don't want to happen.

I'm also not ashamed of my bedroom peccadillos but that doesn't mean I want someone else in charge of telling them to the world. Both are private matters to me and will be revealed at my discretion. There are plenty of people that know both about me.
 
I live in South Africa. Here, as a result of our government's disarmament policies, criminals are bold enough to attack people in their homes. Ironically, the first thing they want when they break in is guns. Not too many people (used to) carry their guns around with them in the house, and (the police's interpretation of) the law states that your firearm must be in a safe anytime it isn't on you.

There have been cases where information has been leaked through the police officers doing the relicensing of firearms, and people have been robbed by criminals fully aware of what firearms are available and where they are kept. This goes to demonstrate that making people aware that you have firearms is a very bad idea.

Our system is a little different from most states in the US. Each firearm must be licensed and registered, and a person may only have a certain number of firearms - basically two handguns, a shotgun and a rifle. However, a firearm owner requires no permit to carry any firearm they own, so long as it remains concealed.

Anyway, the long and the short is that I would be a very very unhappy person if anyone should release information pointing to the homes of firearm owners.
 
If we agree that adding guns (with trained handlers) to houses add security and reduce crime because nobody wants to rob an armed house. I would extend it to say that if badguys knew you carried your less likely to be a victim.
 
Published? I'd be angry and I'd do everything in my power to out those that did. If people that know me know I carry that's my choice to let them know, but it's my choice.
 
ArchAngel brought up an important point that the publishing of such lists is an effort to "criminalize" or taint gunowners as potential sources of mayhem. After all what's the point of publishing such a list?

"The Public" (who by and large will not read such a list except out of idle curiosity) has no "right to know" what I have in my house, what's in my vehicle, or what's in my pocket. Where is such a right written down?

The argument that it is a matter of public record is a weak one. The argument that because the government issues the permit it is in the interests of the public that the list be published is also weak.

tipoc
 
Yes, I did care that it was published. It gave anybody who might be interested a list of people and addresses where they could steal a gun (or more).

Damn right I care!! :mad:
 
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