clamman
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My NAA mini in 22 mag is either in my pocket or in the cash drawer. But at home, it's a 357 between the mattress and box spring, and the 1911 in the work shop.
Would you CC a .22?
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Vern Humphrey
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No, I would not CC a .22, for these reasons:
1. Reliability -- I have had plenty of misfires with .22 RF ammo.
2. Stopping power. Handguns are marginal anyway, and there is no point in picking such a small cartridge.
3. There are many, many better options.
1. Reliability -- I have had plenty of misfires with .22 RF ammo.
2. Stopping power. Handguns are marginal anyway, and there is no point in picking such a small cartridge.
3. There are many, many better options.
It would not be the top of my list for carry.
That being said I would if that's all I had.
But if I was carrying a .22 I would insist it be a revolver because my Brother has owned two .22 semi-autos pistols and both were unreliable to be used consistently and the make of one I do not remember but the other was a Berreta.
They both would jam frequently.
I have heard others say to rotate the ammo to keep a fresh current supply for reliability.
On that I dont know as I have never had any .22 ammo that had a dud and more than that I took my old Marlin .22 rifle out recently to shoot and along with some new Winchester .22 ammo I fired 17 rounds of .22 ammo my brother recently found in his closet stuck away in a cigar box and I can positively tell you this ammo was over
twenty years old and all 17 rounds fired without an issue.
That being said I would if that's all I had.
But if I was carrying a .22 I would insist it be a revolver because my Brother has owned two .22 semi-autos pistols and both were unreliable to be used consistently and the make of one I do not remember but the other was a Berreta.
They both would jam frequently.
I have heard others say to rotate the ammo to keep a fresh current supply for reliability.
On that I dont know as I have never had any .22 ammo that had a dud and more than that I took my old Marlin .22 rifle out recently to shoot and along with some new Winchester .22 ammo I fired 17 rounds of .22 ammo my brother recently found in his closet stuck away in a cigar box and I can positively tell you this ammo was over
twenty years old and all 17 rounds fired without an issue.
Vern Humphrey
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As I have said many times, most disasters happen because people plan to have disasters.
We're not out fishing now, carring a .22 in case we run onto a snake, and suddenly we're confronted by an escaped murderer. We're safe at home, talking about what we might carry in the future. If one of us decides to carry a .22 for self defense, he has only himself to blame if he finds himself in a do-or-die situation armed only with a .22.
We're not out fishing now, carring a .22 in case we run onto a snake, and suddenly we're confronted by an escaped murderer. We're safe at home, talking about what we might carry in the future. If one of us decides to carry a .22 for self defense, he has only himself to blame if he finds himself in a do-or-die situation armed only with a .22.
ForumSurfer
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Yep. My father recently gave me about 10,000 rounds that we had stuffed away back from my childhood. It was forgotten and stored in a shoebox on a closet shelf for 24 years. Winchester white box mostly, but there are some thunderbolts and CCI's as well. I've run through a couple of thousand with no failures so far. That's more than I can say for the last batch of Remington bulk I bought.
doc2rn
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While neither is ideal I would suggest carrying what your comfortable with for now. In time you will come to see there are many better choices and you will know when the right one comes along cause you will just know. I highly recommend looking at a S&W mod 10 2". You can find these for around $350 used if you prefer revolvers like I do, or if you like semi auto I recommend the FNP-9 over a Glock any day. Remember when you find the one it isnt about the price, its what works for you, it could be a Makarov in 9x18 (can be found for around $250) or a $1500 Colt Commander. Try as many as you can, rent and hold often, and remember nothing beats practice,practice,practice!
I can carry a pocket .380, either a diamondback or keltec in my front pocket in slacks or jeans and no one ever knows.
If you're carrying a gun in swim trunks you need to find a new place to go swim. And what do you do with it when you go swim? just leave it out on your towel or leave it in your vehicle?
Vern Humphrey
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Good point.
In any case, you can find small .38s, .380s and even 9mms that are about as small as any .22 going.
Seriously, for $300-ish there are tons of guns out there to choose from. If you want a range gun get something comfortable and fun to shoot.
If you are serious about self defense, get as much gun as you can handle. A self defense gun doesn't need to be comfortable, it needs to be reliable, powerful and intuitive to use.
When it comes to a "shoot out" You won't give a darn how ergonomic the grip is.
Vern Humphrey
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I agree with you on that -- get the gun you want to have when the chips are down. Carry it all the time, and practice regularly.
phoglund
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I say carry anything you please. If you are comfortable with those handguns and you want to try out open carry or concealed carry, give it a try. If I understand correctly, you aren't carrying anything at the moment. In a critical situation I'd sure rather have either of the .22 caliber handguns you mentioned than nothing at all!
There are no absolutes and everybody is different. Self protection is a continuum of risk, risk aversion, comfort, rationality and emotion. Most people don't carry a weapon at all, let alone a firearm.
If you carried a .22 on a regular basis you'd normally be better armed than I. Personally I think self protection starts with situational awareness, goes to mental sharpness and toughness, progresses to staying in the best physical condition possible and training in unarmed defense and finally gets to proficiency in and carrying firearms. Other's think any physical threat should be immediately initiate an armed response.
I'd say carry whichever of the two firearms you find most comfortable to carry and progress to a more effective cartridge when you are ready. I just recently purchased an ISSC M22 myself and think it will be a great understudy to my Glock.
Disclosure:
I've never carried a .22 as a concealed weapon. I've often open carried them in the past as a woods gun. (A .22 Ruger Single Six, sometimes with the .22 mag cylinder, sometimes with the .22 lr.)
I have a CWP but in fact seldom carry. I can't carry at work (University) and I live in what I consider a reasonably safe community. I'm not too worried about it. Of course I seldom carry when I'm up in the mountains either and I live in Grizzly country. Maybe I'm just not risk adverse.
There are no absolutes and everybody is different. Self protection is a continuum of risk, risk aversion, comfort, rationality and emotion. Most people don't carry a weapon at all, let alone a firearm.
If you carried a .22 on a regular basis you'd normally be better armed than I. Personally I think self protection starts with situational awareness, goes to mental sharpness and toughness, progresses to staying in the best physical condition possible and training in unarmed defense and finally gets to proficiency in and carrying firearms. Other's think any physical threat should be immediately initiate an armed response.
I'd say carry whichever of the two firearms you find most comfortable to carry and progress to a more effective cartridge when you are ready. I just recently purchased an ISSC M22 myself and think it will be a great understudy to my Glock.
Disclosure:
I've never carried a .22 as a concealed weapon. I've often open carried them in the past as a woods gun. (A .22 Ruger Single Six, sometimes with the .22 mag cylinder, sometimes with the .22 lr.)
I have a CWP but in fact seldom carry. I can't carry at work (University) and I live in what I consider a reasonably safe community. I'm not too worried about it. Of course I seldom carry when I'm up in the mountains either and I live in Grizzly country. Maybe I'm just not risk adverse.
All things being equal, I would rather have my 9mm, however, for many occasions and situations, thats not practical, and I have a .22WMR NAA break-top mini which fits cleanly in the coin-pocket of my jeans. 5 shots in the cylinder and 20 more on quick-strips, and while it's not ideal, I imagine it's better than nothing.
ForumSurfer
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If I knew with 100% certainty that there were no risks, I'd never carry at all. Most of carry to be prepared. If we all knew when trouble would surprise us, there would be far less victims out there. The fact is, bad stuff happens in good places so it doesn't hurt to be prepared...which is the entire point of ccw to begin with.
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Bought a Beretta 21A (pocket-sized .22lr) for the mousegun role a few years ago. Carried it a few times and never really felt that good about it. Traded it on something else.
Currently own a S&W 317, which is an 8-shot .22lr on a very light (12 ounce) J frame. Never carried it expressly for SD, but have thought about this gun compared to the old 21A for the role and would feel much, much better about doing so.
Although most everyone will agree that .22lr isn't ideal for SD, it wasn't the round so much that gave me pause as the reliability questions - both with respect to the platform of the (extractor-less) 21A and with rimfire ammo in general by its very nature. At least the 317 takes care of one of those issues.
All that being said, it's no more trouble to carry a .38 snub (or a lot of other options, many already mentioned) than it is to carry the 317. But if I had to press it into the role, I would and not feel too terrible about it.
Currently own a S&W 317, which is an 8-shot .22lr on a very light (12 ounce) J frame. Never carried it expressly for SD, but have thought about this gun compared to the old 21A for the role and would feel much, much better about doing so.
Although most everyone will agree that .22lr isn't ideal for SD, it wasn't the round so much that gave me pause as the reliability questions - both with respect to the platform of the (extractor-less) 21A and with rimfire ammo in general by its very nature. At least the 317 takes care of one of those issues.
All that being said, it's no more trouble to carry a .38 snub (or a lot of other options, many already mentioned) than it is to carry the 317. But if I had to press it into the role, I would and not feel too terrible about it.
EVIL
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I would carry your Taurus 941 over your High Point (which are bulky and hard to conceal IMHO) The Taurus revolver has the edge in reliability too ... but neither are ideal CC weapons. But both are better than throwing rocks or being unarmed...Heck, most people choose to walk around unarmed and would cringe at the thought of carrying a firearm for self defense. I salute you for even asking the question.
There are times where I have carried my .22LR handgun woods loafing, small game hunting and nothing else and I didn't feel at all unprepared. I would say the mindset of being aware, proficient with your chosen arm & being prepared is far more important than caliber size.
I much prefer carrying my .22LR than being unarmed when where prohibited by law
There are times where I have carried my .22LR handgun woods loafing, small game hunting and nothing else and I didn't feel at all unprepared. I would say the mindset of being aware, proficient with your chosen arm & being prepared is far more important than caliber size.
I much prefer carrying my .22LR than being unarmed when where prohibited by law
aryfrosty
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.22lrs?
I like the little .22s. I have an NAA Mini that I would if I felt the need to do so. I also have a Taurus .22lr DAO that I trust completely. As with any gun you carry.. Practice, practice and then practice more.
I like the little .22s. I have an NAA Mini that I would if I felt the need to do so. I also have a Taurus .22lr DAO that I trust completely. As with any gun you carry.. Practice, practice and then practice more.
clem
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Yes, a H&R #929 with a 2.5" barrel.
And;
as a retired cop, I can tell you that I'll seen more people killed by .22 LR rounds then other stuff.
And;
as a retired cop, I can tell you that I'll seen more people killed by .22 LR rounds then other stuff.
Sure...
It is better than a BB gun.
If all I had was a .22, I would CC it.
Having said that, as long as center fire pistols remain legal I see no reason not to carry a center fire. My biggest concern with rimfires is ignition reliability. While it doesn't happen often, I have had .22s occasionally fail to fire.
It is better than a BB gun.
If all I had was a .22, I would CC it.
Having said that, as long as center fire pistols remain legal I see no reason not to carry a center fire. My biggest concern with rimfires is ignition reliability. While it doesn't happen often, I have had .22s occasionally fail to fire.
easyg
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I would rather carry a knife or a pointy stick.
It really does not matter....both suck for self defense from a handgun.
Anything is possible, but the .22 is most likely going to get you killed.
Brass Rain
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I would, sure, but it wouldn't be my first choice. .22 WMR at least.
BleysAhrens
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Wow, you are slow on the uptake. Check out velocity of a .22, and the velocity of a stick.. I'll tell you about the .22LR: Anywhere from 1080 FPS, to 1750 FPS. Now lets look at mass: Damn that is a small hunk of copper plated lead.. But wait, that copper plaited lead projectile can travel at velocities beyond the speed of sound. I have shot a rabbit in the side and observed where the projectile had exited the other side, maybe I should say it looked like a jackalope that had shed it's horns. So all I will say is that the human skull, made of bone, or a sternum made of cartilage, just may stop it, or most likely just slow it down. But once it's in you and your soft mushy organs feel it's wrath... So tell me about your stick, or that small pocket knife you have?
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