Would you CC a .22?
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easyg
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There's more to effectiveness than mere velocity.
People get killed every year by coconuts falling on their heads...and those coconuts are not falling at great velocity.
You might get that kind of velocity from a rifle or from a pistol with a 6" barrel, but from Taurus 941 snub-nose revolver with a 2" barrel you will never see that velocity.
And again, there's more to effectiveness than mere velocity.
You can kill a bunny with a stick too....just saying...
The sternum is also made of bone....but that's beside the point.
I work with a lady who has the unfortunate nickname of "bullet-head"....she was once accidentally shot in the head with a .22 from a rifle.
It didn't even fracture the skull.
She said it felt like a bee sting.
Have you ever seen a person who had been beaten with a baseball bat or a pool stick?
I have.
And yes, they can be very lethal.
As for knives....
Place a small knife in your hand and walk towards a police officer and see what happens....
The cop will draw his pistol, I guarantee it!
Why?
Because cops understand how deadly a knife can be.
If the .22 was effective at stopping humans, then cops would be carrying them.
Just One Shot
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Only as an absolute last resort. Thankfully so far, that's not been the case for me.
phoglund
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ForumSurfer
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easyg said:
::cough, cough::
I second that.
I was a victim of someone else's nd when I was a kid. I took a 22 to the head. I lived. A hollowpoint (CCI no less) shattered on bone. Close enough so that I had powder burns from an 8" revolver. An FMJ round might have penetrated, or it might not have...who knows? Either way, it didn't hurt or affect me enough to stop me from attacking had I been attacking. As a matter of fact, I slapped my friend in the back of the head for shooting a gun in the house immediately afterward, before I figured out "Hey! I'm shot!".
There are a million factors that alter the effects of a gunshot wound. No two wounds will ever be the same, but after feeling and seeing my wound 1st hand...I wouldn't feel comfortable with a 22 unless I was emptying a dozen or more rounds into the attacker. Even then, I hope he doesn't have a weapon capable of being used on me, because he will most likely have time to use it on me before he dies....assuming he dies. My point is, the stars could align perfectly and the round could penetrate his skull and put him down...or the same stars could misalign and the round will simply bounce or shatter leaving the attacker with nothing but a tiny round scar surrounded by tiny burn marks.
At any rate, it's doubtful the 22 will stop the attack so why carry it? Stopping an attack is the entire point for carrying ccw.
BleysAhrens said:
While I would carry a 22 if it was all I had, easyg also has a point that a sharp stick may be better at close ranges. He definitely has a point that one could argue. The stick may be more useful for stopping the attack. The 22 has more deadly potential, but the stick has more immediate fight stopping potential.
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Onward Allusion
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Yes, I would. However, when one CC's a 22LR it has to be in a tiny tiny package. Otherwise it defeats the purpose of "carrying when you can't carry".
wnycollector
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I currently have a 22 mag NAA mini in my pocket as I write this post. It is the one gun that I ALWAYS have on my person. It is a ritual when I get dressed, keys and money in my one front pocket, NAA mini in the other and a knife in my back pocket. If I knew I was going into harms way, I would not take the NAA...I would grab an AR or an AK out of my gun safe. The role of the NAA IMOHO is as an insurance policy that I always have with me and that is comforting. To the OP, if you are comfortable with your Taurus .22 mag, I say carry it!
MedWheeler
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Easyg writes:
Got statistics to back that up? I mean actual numbers that show a greater percentage of people defending themselves with .22 caliber handguns die doing so than survive. (Wait, what is that noise? Oh, never mind; it's just crickets chirping..)
Got statistics to back that up? I mean actual numbers that show a greater percentage of people defending themselves with .22 caliber handguns die doing so than survive. (Wait, what is that noise? Oh, never mind; it's just crickets chirping..)
I "cc" a Beretta 71 .22 for over a year now. Feel good with the little rascal. Never had ONE failure with it while practicing. So I feel confident, that when the sh*t hits the fan, it will perform reliable. And it's really easy to carry it concealed. I carry one Stinger in the chamber. Hammer down. And 8 Stingers in the clip. I've got one rule: "It's all about shotplacement".
easyg
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Nope, I don't have any stats for you.
But if you're truly convinced that a .22 snub-nose revolver is good protection then I seriously doubt that any stats I could show you would change your mind.
I find it rather strange that some folks would actually encourage others to rely upon a .22 snub-nose for self defense.
It's practically criminal, and down right shameful.
BleysAhrens
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Wow, you guys really don't know anything about a little .22lr, or a .22 mag. I will use my .40 all the time, but if she is using her .22 and I'm around I will come running to help her.. But so far she is a good shot so I think she would do fine with her little .22. And yes for up close I would use a stick, or a baton, or a nice fighting knife.
FMJMIKE
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NO
NO NO NO............... If you have ever had a person try to kill you, you would not be asking this question !!!
NO NO NO............... If you have ever had a person try to kill you, you would not be asking this question !!!
MedWheeler
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Easyg writes:
You're straying from what I asked. I appreciate your admitting your blanket statement ".. a 22 will most likely get you killed" is one you cannot support with statistics or other evidence. That's all I was addressing. I never said depending on a 22 snub revolver when other choices are available is wise, nor have I ever advised anyone to do so. I just get annoyed with unsupported blanket statements like the one of yours I was questioning, and that's why I call 'em out.
You're straying from what I asked. I appreciate your admitting your blanket statement ".. a 22 will most likely get you killed" is one you cannot support with statistics or other evidence. That's all I was addressing. I never said depending on a 22 snub revolver when other choices are available is wise, nor have I ever advised anyone to do so. I just get annoyed with unsupported blanket statements like the one of yours I was questioning, and that's why I call 'em out.
easyg
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Okay, you've made you point I suppose.
But answer the original poster's question....
"So, I would like to know how many of you CC or open-carry a .22?"
Do you open carry or conceal carry a .22?
Do you think that a .22 snub-nose revolver is good personal protection?
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This would have been very handy for Eric Idle or John Cleese to have used in this scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg
You can step up to a .38spl in the same sized frame as a .22 LR revolver (and I wouldn't consider carrying anything but a revolver in .22 LR for SD).
The .38 can be loaded fairly mildly to start, and still be more effective than a .22 LR, and you can work your way up to more powerful loads as you gain confidence and become less concerned about recoil.
If you avoid the ultralight .38s and go with a basic Airweight style (aluminum frame, steel cylinder and barrel), then the gun should be very manageable recoil-wise.
Another option that's less expensive is a Bersa Thunder. Small enough to carry, but not a pocket gun, so a bit easier to control. Reported to be very reliable and to have mild recoil. Good budget choice for belt, IWB or purse carry. Also comes in a slightly smaller CC model with the edges melted off.
The .38 can be loaded fairly mildly to start, and still be more effective than a .22 LR, and you can work your way up to more powerful loads as you gain confidence and become less concerned about recoil.
If you avoid the ultralight .38s and go with a basic Airweight style (aluminum frame, steel cylinder and barrel), then the gun should be very manageable recoil-wise.
Another option that's less expensive is a Bersa Thunder. Small enough to carry, but not a pocket gun, so a bit easier to control. Reported to be very reliable and to have mild recoil. Good budget choice for belt, IWB or purse carry. Also comes in a slightly smaller CC model with the edges melted off.
MedWheeler
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Easyg writes:
Do I carry a .22? No, not for protection. I have better choices available.
Do I think that a .22 snub-nose revolver is good personal protection? Yes, I do. However, keep in mind that the word "good" is lower on the chain than are the words "better" and "best". On that, we agree.
Do I carry a .22? No, not for protection. I have better choices available.
Do I think that a .22 snub-nose revolver is good personal protection? Yes, I do. However, keep in mind that the word "good" is lower on the chain than are the words "better" and "best". On that, we agree.
I have a neighbor who used to be an emergency room doctor in Atlanta Ga. He has seen people die from .22 lr's and walk away also, but he says he has also seen people walk away from 9mm's and .38's. Now according to him ,and I have no reason to doubt. He says a close range shot from a .22 lr to the head is about 75% of the time fatal and a shot to the upper torso is about 35% fatal, solid points seem to kill better in the .22 lr. The percentage rate goes up with the caliber, with the .357 mag and .45 ACP being tops with 95 to 98% fatal first shots. That being said who wants to get shot in the face with a .22 lr
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Skyshot writes:
Wow.. I've been in EMS for nineteen years now, and was in LE before that, and I've never seen anyone die and walk away also..!
Wow.. I've been in EMS for nineteen years now, and was in LE before that, and I've never seen anyone die and walk away also..!
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