Would you conceal carry in this situation?

[basicblur]

Is there a list of businesses that don't allow guns?

This might be where you need to join a state firearms group in addition to a national organization like the NRA.
VCDL has a list of Gun Owner Unfriendly Businesses on their website, and also have a link to the NRA site of National Organizations With Anti-Gun Policies.

 

[LT1coupe]

If it's not a legal sign, it's not directed toward me.

 

[jfrey]

The bank where my wife works and where we bank, has the "ghost buster" sign on the door. Infact her department is responsible for the signs. I smile and walk right past it. Not only that, she knows I do. If it ain't legal - it ain't legal, at least in Texas. The bank president is a big hunter and I'm sure he would not say a word to me if he knew. I keep it concealed for a reason.

 

[speaksoftly]

This is where I was tonight. Notice the 30.06 law and notice the sign that is actually posted on the door. This was the sign that I walked right past with my Sig P229 this evening and EXACTLY the type of posting that I was referring to.

http://www.vcdl.org/static/gue.html#Cinemark

 

[T2K]

As far as I can tell, this sign only advocates that you choose something other than a Beretta 92F as your handgun, though it's only a suggestion.

 

[DustyVermonter]

Yes I would, Same as I would hunt on an out of staters property for not posting their signs properly. If it aint posted properly, it aint posted. Period.

 

[DustyVermonter]

In fact, the ONLY place I wouldn't carry is in the shower or in a courtroom. Seriously.

 

[oldfool]

post #19 - "I would have to take the attitude that if I do not respect the owners right to mandate the conditions of use of his property I would have no reason to expect him to respect mine. I would pass the place by."

ditto that

My range my rules
Your range your rules

I like to think hardly anybody would have been confused about any of that, or would have had to be told twice, say 150 years ago, about as simple as it gets.
naive, maybe
Today everybody complains about lawyers, but everybody acts like they want to be one.

Nobody is forcing you at gunpoint to walk in that door, nobody is forcing you at gun point to walk away. Some signs are made for people who cannot read. No sign can be made for people who refuse to read.

maybe I walk in without a gun, maybe I just walk away, have done both
same goes for gunshows with signs
no lawyer required, no cop required

 

[oldfool]

Yes I would, Same as I would hunt on an out of staters property for not posting their signs properly. If it aint posted properly, it aint posted. Period.

might not want to try that on out-of-staters private property in Georgia
last I heard it told (by a law enforcement officer) is that ALL private property in the state of Georgia is considered posted by law unless specific permission is granted by property owner (carry written permission on you)

an "EDC" question -
how do you carry your lawyer ?
in pocket, IWB, OWB ???

 

[gearhead]

I have, and I do.

In South Carolina the handgun law spells out exactly what the signage must look like and exactly where it must be located, since the signage carries force of law (as opposed to being simply the business owner’s policy). Therefore, the signage must meet the legal standard to legally prohibit carrying and the CWP holder must be able to look for a legal sign in a very specific location so that he or she knows it’s illegal to carry there. If the signage isn’t legally posted then I am breaking no law by carrying there. If I am asked to leave I will, but it’s never happened.

Don’t lecture me about “the wishes of the business owner” either. One place in particular where I carry is a local mall. The main entrances to the mall common area are posted but the doors to the anchor stores are not. That isn’t a legally binding posting, should I avoid shopping in the Macy’s or Sears (not posted on their entrances) because the mall common entrance has a sign that isn’t legally binding posted?

 

[12131]

If it's not a legal sign, why wouldn't one carry?

nuf said.

 

[AWorthyOpponent]

i think you could logically argue that the first sign is just that of a Beretta M9 hater

I would have to agree. Maybe a bad experience.

On topic: I personally would not carry, but not because of fear of legal ramifications. I work at a place in Florida (where there is no such law) that has a sign restricting possession of not only Firearms, but Knives, Pepper Spray, Tasers, or any other weapon. I think it is more a matter of respect for me. I know that there are many that will disagree, but i feel that if a business requests something of the people that enter, you should respect it. If you do not want to conform to the rules, I feel that you should take your business elsewhere. If you didn't like people to wear shoes in your house, would you want the guy that refused to take off his shoes to come back. No. If you wanted him to come back, you would change your rules. Why be the obnoxious guy that ends up making CCWers look bad. The last thing we need is someone to report this to the news, have them report some BS story about how CCWers dont followrules and should have stricter rules, and get the public scared of us...

 

[LT1coupe]

The point is we are following the rules, ghostbuster signs in TX are not legal signs.
In AZ you are supposed to respect them, if you are not very good at CCW they can ask you to leave, if you don't, then you are trespassing. I'm not worried about respect from a store owner, I'm going to carry anywhere it's legal to do so.

 

[online247]

Totally agree...

If the sign doesn't satisfy the specific requirements of the law, I see no reason to pay attention to it.

+1 We have to satisfy every specification when it comes to carrying, so...?

 

[wishin]

might not want to try that on out-of-staters private property in Georgia
last I heard it told (by a law enforcement officer) is that ALL private property in the state of Georgia is considered posted by law unless specific permission is granted by property owner (carry written permission on you)

an "EDC" question -
how do you carry your lawyer ?
in pocket, IWB, OWB ???

Not so. From GeoriaPacking.org:

Nothing in this code section shall otherwise prohibit the carrying of a firearm in any other public place by a person licensed or permitted to do so. (This means licensees are permitted to carry in stores, malls, financial institutions, and other places open to the public)

 

[heeler]

I recently received my Texas CHL and the first couple of weeks carrying I made a more than prudent effort to look hard at every business door I walked through to make sure all was legal or not.
So far I have not come across a business that has the states legal 30.06 sign but I have come across a number of non legally binding no guns signs.
I just silently smile and walk right on in.
As was noted if it's not legally binding it isn't.
If it is stay out while carrying.

 

[oneounceload]

Why would you go to a place that does not support your point of view?

EVERY business has competition. If this right to carry is SO important to you, then you should be willing to go a little out of your way to support the businesses that support your view; otherwise, IMO, you're a hypocrite

 

[CoRoMo]

I didn't...

...but I didn't know any better.

Before I knew that there is no gunbuster sign in this state that holds water, I tried to enter a hospital here, and of course it had its own version of law posted. Like I said, I didn't know up from down, so I returned my piece to the truck before entering. Now I know what's what.

However, just a little while back, I was in Texas, visiting a family member in the hospital. Yep, on the entrance was a sign prohibiting the permitted carry of a handgun, but I really don't think it was a legal 30.06 sign. Regardless, I had to put the pistol in the truck again.

I sort of think it's funny that the Texas statue section is numbered 30.06, and every time I read something containing it, I actually say, "thirty ought six".

 

[Harley Rider 55]

If that sign is on glass it's questionable as the letters are not contrasting to the background.
I ignore the gunbusters sign. In fact, legal open carry of a long gun might be required to get them to take it down.

 

[ForumSurfer]

The main entrances to the mall common area are posted but the doors to the anchor stores are not.

Guilty of that one.

 

[strambo]

I'm glad my state doesn't have such silliness (we have plenty of other silliness though). I'd ignore it if it didn't meet the legal requirements.

 

[speaksoftly]

Why would you go to a place that does not support your point of view?

Man, I'm an independent, Jewish, Texan who loves to shoot guns, collect fountain pens, play music, and build Mustangs. I haven't met the person who agrees with me on anything! Haha!

I sort of think it's funny that the Texas statue section is numbered 30.06, and every time I read something containing it, I actually say, "thirty ought six".

That's actually the only way I've ever heard it mentioned. G-d bless Texas!

 

[Zack]

(1) Why is it in Spanish?? This is USA you need to be US Citizen to get CCW/buy guns.
(2) The sign is showing NO CCW on Bertta 92fs/m9 model only (HATERS!!!)

 

[speaksoftly]

Why is it in Spanish?? This is USA you need to be US Citizen to get CCW/buy guns.

This is Texas. A lot of our citizens speak Spanish and some speak Spanish as a first language and as an only language.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

I don't live in Texas. But if I did, I would ignore any sign that did not carry the weight of law, or better yet, not bother to frequent the establishment in the first place.