Wow! AR-15s got cheap! Never considered buying one until now (S&W Sport 15)

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I check out my LGS website every now and again and today the S&W M&P Sport 15 popped up for under $600! I always thought an AR-15 was at least a $1000 investment. This gun will be mostly used at the range, but would be perfect for the occasional coyote hunt. I'm mostly looking for something lightweight and simple (no rails or do-dads needed).

I'm thinking about picking up that Sport 15. Are there any better models in this price range I should be looking at? I'm an Engineer, so building one is not out of the question, but will I be able to do that for under $600 and still get a decent gun?

The LGS also has a DPMS Panther Oracle for $30 more, but it doesn't come with open sights...
 
I've been an engineer for a few decades, but I don't consider that to qualify me to assemble AR-15 parts.

PSA may come close to your price point.
Bud's is always a benchmark for price comparison.

Best of luck, but be warned that after you buy one, you may realize you want more!
 
It doesn't take an engineer to assemble an AR...I assembled a gas grill from Home Depot which was harder to assemble than my AR. Took me about an hour and a half to put mine together on my first attempt. It has about 2000 rounds through it without a hitch.

Assembling your own won't really save you money but you can build exwctly what you want.
 
The S&W M&P 15 Sport is a higher quality rifle than the DPMS Oracle. The Oracle should also sell for less too. However, if you just want a range toy and varmint rifle that you're going to scope anyway, you might look at the Oracle if the price is right. How much does your dealer charge for a transfer?

M&P 15 Sport for $585 shipped - http://www.slickguns.com/product/smith-and-wesson-and-wesson-mp15-sport-556-16-6pos-stk-62423

Oracle for $499 shipped after rebate - http://www.slickguns.com/product/dpms-panther-oracle-556-16-57099
 
Buy the M&P, run it with lots of lead, and you can replace the barrel if needed.

Have fun.
 
I purchased an M&P Sport for myself for Christmas. It WAS my first AR...

My wife shot a few mags through it and claimed it. Gotta buy another one I guess. :D
 
I'd go for the Sport. It deletes some features on "regular" ARs like forward assist, dust cover, and removable trigger guard. However, for a fun or hunting rifle you don't need such things.
 
I bought one last month runs great, I shoots just as well as my other AR
that I paid twice as much for, for 600 bucks I have no complaints
 
I've been an engineer for a few decades, but I don't consider that to qualify me to assemble AR-15 parts.

If you can drive a train you can put together an AR. I built more difficult models before I was a teenager.
 
By build an AR, I meant from an 80% lower. Sorry if: offended others by saying I am an Engineer, I didn't know that hurt people's feelings...
 
Macchina, nothing to apologize for. Assembling an AR from a 100% stripped lower is easy, and simply requires a little mechanical aptitude. I've never finished an 80% lower, but a couple machinists I know assure me it's a pretty simple project from any moderately skilled machinist on even a basic mill. Keep asking questions if there's more you want to know.
 
The S&W M&P 15 Sport is a higher quality rifle than the DPMS Oracle. The Oracle should also sell for less too. However, if you just want a range toy and varmint rifle that you're going to scope anyway, you might look at the Oracle if the price is right. How much does your dealer charge for a transfer?

I'd still go with the M&P hands down as one is much more likely to encounter issues with the DPMS. Even for a range toy this can be very aggravating.
 
With their 20% of sale going on now, on PSA's website you can pick up a complete blem lower for $149, and a complete basic upper for $399. Add a rear sight, magazine and ammo and you're ready to rock.

Times are good for the consumer now that the AR market crashed and we are in a bit of a glut.

Edited to add that PSA seems to have another $399 upper on sale today that is their "premium" model and comes with an FN barrel. Nothing wrong with the M&P Sport, but that PSA is a pretty bangin' deal for an upper with BCG, charging handle and a decent barrel.
 
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I recently bought three Aero Precision forged lowers @ $60 each. Why would I screw around with an 80% lower?

My last build ran about $640; guarantee you it's superior to the M&P Sport.

One of the best buys I've seen lately was the Windham Weaponry Sight Ready Carbine @ JoeBob's @ $749; free shipping and no taxes.

Chrome-lined barrel, hard case, sling, and 30-rd mag included. Friend of mine bought JoeBob's last one on my recommendation. Really nice rifle!
 
If you want to build something, build an AK. That's more cost effective than building an AR from an 80% lower. I think I got my PSA blemished fully assembled Magpul lower for $175 around Christmas. Still trying to find the blemish. Best I can guess is that one of the numbers in the serial is slightly off.
 
By build an AR, I meant from an 80% lower. Sorry if: offended others by saying I am an Engineer, I didn't know that hurt people's feelings...

Who said that hurt anyone's feelings :confused:

I was replying to the post which said that even being an engineer he didn't feel qualified to assemble an AR.

My dad was an engineer for 40 years.
 
I bought one of the first S&W Sports when they had the 5R melonite barrels. I paid $600 for it just prior to the panic.

It's a few years old now, it has never missed a beat and it works great. It may be in my head, but I find that it shoots better than my Colt and it was half the price.

If you don't want to hassle with building your own and you just want to shoot, I don't think you can go wrong with the Sport. Unless of course you require a dust cover and forward assist, which I've never needed. :)
 
I would strongly suggest that being a knowledgeable mechanic would go a lot further assembling the AR 15. And having done so, I can say you won't save any money doing it.

First, you get stuck buying all the parts at individual retail, nobody sells them for a penny over the quantity price they got for an order of 10,000. They are in business to make a profit, when you see "blem" prices they still aren't rock bottom. They add their overhead to move it thru the shelf into a box to ship. It's cheap, but it's far from their cost to hit the dock.

Assembling the AR is problematic. Too much of the internet reads the Armorer's instructions, which are geared to having 20 something non gun users with no engineering background fix a machine gun at their limited level of repair. At best, the instructions you can read are meant to keep that kid from screwing things up worse, and considering they can break bowling balls just having fun, an AR hasn't a chance.

The assembly stickies detail it - you can break off the trigger guard ears, pounding roll pins in with punches will net scars on misstrikes, the springs can get on the trigger backwards and the pins walk out because they aren't locked into place. The barrel nut if turned too far will strip the threads on the aluminum nose - that 80 pound torque figure isn't a goal, it's something to avoid so you don't ruin the upper.

A mechanic knows by experienced feel what the difference is from 30 to 80 pounds, and if the nut isn't aligning, they can "square" the nose a thousandth and it will. They do it assembling car parts or other mechanically fastened devices for a living.

The assembly line workers at Colt, FN, and others don't need or use armorer's tools or techniques to build AR's. In fact, it's the inside industry joke. When you have hundreds to do daily, fiddling with clevis pins or dialing in a torque wrench is a waste of time. There's a 50 foot pound envelope of being "right," and all it really amounts to is getting the gas tube past the serrations on the barrel nut to trap it from loosening.

It's not rocket science. It's mechanics, which explains in this day and age why so few understand how to assemble an AR. Nobody much does that anymore as a teen, and few have a father to step them thru it.

The fact that you can nearly assemble an AR 15 on the kitchen table should tell you something, tho - a team of engineers figured it out pretty well. No pressing the barrel into the receiver while simultaneously setting the headspace with the AR. It's much much simpler than that, and why you don't have to be a trained senior level gunsmith. Or engineer.

But, you better know your mechanical aptitude. At least Stark makes grips for when you don't.
 
Ah ha, a reminder of why I never recommend that a newbie take advice from somebody who uses 1000 words to say what could be said better in 100 words or fewer! :evil:
 
I too recently have thought about a evil black gun. I mostly have a lever gun collection and a older mini 14 that is just fine, but for some reason, i feel i should get myself an AR before the great state of California deems me or the general public not responsible enough to own one. The m and 15 sport is what i have been looking at as well. I have not found them for under $630 for a Ca. legal one.
No forward assist and dust cover does not bother me at all.
 
Personally, whatever route you take I would recommend against the Oracle. They use non mil-spec uppers and lowers that are rugged but are not compatible with some aftermarket accessories and tools.
 
I looked at ARs two years ago and settled on the Colt LE6920. I did look at lesser models but you get what you pay for. Me, I want a forward assist and dust covers.
 
now is definitely the time to buy an AR. i would not expect them to be super cheap forever. probably the next 8 months or so though.... but another sandy hook and they'll be $2k again
 
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