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I don't particularly like anything that draws the police->private citizen parallel. What cops are allowed to do, or whether they even exist, has no bearing on my RKBA. I realize that a lot of people don't think that way, and the image as written may make sense to them. I just get an uneasy feeling whenever I see something making the connection in that direction.
It should be the other way around... "private citizens may carry firearms for self protection... cops have the same human right." Unfortunately, that doesn't really carry the message, which is why I don't like pro-RKBA media that references police. They end up either philosophically backwards or lacking impact.
I also don't like the "cops" vs "we" or "cops" vs "you" language. It implies cops are separate from the rest of us, hence the change from "we" to "private citizens" in the joking suggestion above.
It should be the other way around... "private citizens may carry firearms for self protection... cops have the same human right." Unfortunately, that doesn't really carry the message, which is why I don't like pro-RKBA media that references police. They end up either philosophically backwards or lacking impact.
I also don't like the "cops" vs "we" or "cops" vs "you" language. It implies cops are separate from the rest of us, hence the change from "we" to "private citizens" in the joking suggestion above.
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*sigh* Ok, you're probably going to ban me from this thread, but I think some things could be improved. I'll list them, and my reasons. You can pick and choose, take or leave what you want. I would like to preface this all by saying that I have a lot of respect for what you do for RKBA and this is not a personal attack. I'm just trying to provide some constructive suggestions. You could post it as is and it would still be a dramatic and thought-provoking poster
One thing that struck me was the complexity in word choice and ideas. I PERSONALLY like to keep posters simple and hard hitting. More like a bumper sticker than a manifesto. Unless you are going to put a manifesto on a poster (like a poster of the Bill of Rights or something). Here are my thoughts:
a) "arms"->"guns"
Arms aren't the issue here, as the Glock front and center makes clear (nice gun choice, btw). It's not about swords, spears, axes, bazookas, grenades, etc. It's about what cops and private citizens carry every day to defend themselves, guns. And "arms" feels sort of stilted to me, especially after using a piece of slang like "cops."
b) "self-protection"->"self-defense"
This one isn't such a complex idea, but "self-defense" seems to flow a little better for me. A minor consideration.
c) "We have the same human right."->??
I know that "a human right" is sort of your slogan for a lot of your work. And if you want to keep it in for that purpose, disregard the rest of this paragraph. But, again, it feels both wordy and complex to me. What are the slogans we remeber? "I want YOU." "A few good man." "Be all you can be." "You deserve a break today." "Subway, eat fresh." "Have it your way." Short and sweet.
Plus, "We have the same human right" leave people wondering what a right is and why guns are a right and if they are an individual right or not and so on. Whereas something simple like "You can too." (or whatever) keeps it on the topic of getting people to think about carrying a gun.
Also, I don't like the "may carry" in the first sentence at all. It leaves me feeling like it's a privilege to carry arms, rather than an intrinsic right. That that "may" could be withdrawn whenever the person allowing it has a whim. And if you do want to get into the broader theoretical level you probably don't want people thinking about starting to carry as something they "may" do but as something they "can" (and should) do.
I'm not sure if cops and personal carry is a great idea. It's always an issue whether cops are a class of supercitizens or not. Some people will look at this and go "Well yeah, but cops are TRAINED to carry a gun." And then walk on like they've demolished your whole argument. Respectfully, I could especially see that if you show a seasoned, veteran officer standing there and then some guy in civilian clothes pointing a gun at your face. What if you put the cop on the left as is and then put a guy in a suit or button down shirt on the right suitably armed with the same serious, competent demeanor? To make the point that both cops and non-LEOs can carry guns?
I hope I've given you some ideas to think over. You are free, of course, to incorporate them or not into your poster or to make other posters from my ideas or whatever you feel like. I just had to share my thoughts.
One thing that struck me was the complexity in word choice and ideas. I PERSONALLY like to keep posters simple and hard hitting. More like a bumper sticker than a manifesto. Unless you are going to put a manifesto on a poster (like a poster of the Bill of Rights or something). Here are my thoughts:
a) "arms"->"guns"
Arms aren't the issue here, as the Glock front and center makes clear (nice gun choice, btw). It's not about swords, spears, axes, bazookas, grenades, etc. It's about what cops and private citizens carry every day to defend themselves, guns. And "arms" feels sort of stilted to me, especially after using a piece of slang like "cops."
b) "self-protection"->"self-defense"
This one isn't such a complex idea, but "self-defense" seems to flow a little better for me. A minor consideration.
c) "We have the same human right."->??
I know that "a human right" is sort of your slogan for a lot of your work. And if you want to keep it in for that purpose, disregard the rest of this paragraph. But, again, it feels both wordy and complex to me. What are the slogans we remeber? "I want YOU." "A few good man." "Be all you can be." "You deserve a break today." "Subway, eat fresh." "Have it your way." Short and sweet.
Plus, "We have the same human right" leave people wondering what a right is and why guns are a right and if they are an individual right or not and so on. Whereas something simple like "You can too." (or whatever) keeps it on the topic of getting people to think about carrying a gun.
Also, I don't like the "may carry" in the first sentence at all. It leaves me feeling like it's a privilege to carry arms, rather than an intrinsic right. That that "may" could be withdrawn whenever the person allowing it has a whim. And if you do want to get into the broader theoretical level you probably don't want people thinking about starting to carry as something they "may" do but as something they "can" (and should) do.
I'm not sure if cops and personal carry is a great idea. It's always an issue whether cops are a class of supercitizens or not. Some people will look at this and go "Well yeah, but cops are TRAINED to carry a gun." And then walk on like they've demolished your whole argument. Respectfully, I could especially see that if you show a seasoned, veteran officer standing there and then some guy in civilian clothes pointing a gun at your face. What if you put the cop on the left as is and then put a guy in a suit or button down shirt on the right suitably armed with the same serious, competent demeanor? To make the point that both cops and non-LEOs can carry guns?
I hope I've given you some ideas to think over. You are free, of course, to incorporate them or not into your poster or to make other posters from my ideas or whatever you feel like. I just had to share my thoughts.
Oleg Volk
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Banning people for giving advice would be a new low! Instead, I took the sggestions and updated the captions.
thorn726
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i like the new caption , great job as always!
not entirely true!
i know a few people who have done exactly this. yes the cops told them next time don't leave your property, but the pointed piece sure sent the BG away
not entirely true!
i know a few people who have done exactly this. yes the cops told them next time don't leave your property, but the pointed piece sure sent the BG away
thorn726
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i think id better agree. something seems wrong about it.
heheh= we need a good grammar text for this stuff!!!!
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I was just wondering, while shooter is shooting, who's driving the car?
I do enjoy all the images and messages you convey.
I do enjoy all the images and messages you convey.
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ralphie98
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I guess I'm not as picky, but I like the wording as-is. I do have to say though....
I like this wording even more. Either way, it would get the message across.
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