Onward Allusion
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Very sorry for your loss. Your message is a reminder to all of us.
You will be missed.
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cassandrasdaddy
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sorry for both losses. glad you had him to help you with the first one. sounds like a part of him lives on in you. the only imortality any of us can know
sorry for both losses. glad you had him to help you with the first one. sounds like a part of him lives on in you. the only imortality any of us can know
Tinpig
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Very sorry to hear it. I feel terrible for his wife and sons, and all his family and friends.
Hope you don't mind me asking...I wasn't quite clear from your post...was the ND someone else's or his own?
Tinpig
Hope you don't mind me asking...I wasn't quite clear from your post...was the ND someone else's or his own?
Tinpig
FROGO207
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Thank you so much for taking the time from your grieving to warn us of this danger so that another tragedy may be prevented in the future. My prayers go out to you and your extended family. Do take this as an opportunity to step in and continue his legacy as you are able to. He sounds like a man that I would have been honored to have known.
Thank you again for sharing
Rick
Thank you again for sharing
Rick
A single negligent discharge into the abdomen?
Nobody else was around to notice the gunshot and call emergency services?
A single accidental round in the abdomen would rarely result in death with timely medical care.
An aimed round fired to intentionally commit suicide with no intention of receiving medical care may.
A shot from an angry wife or someone else, and claimed to be a negligent discharge may as well.
Typical handguns are just not that reliably lethal that a random unaimed discharge to the abdomen would be likely to strike something important enough that prompt medical care could not keep the person alive.
Was he home alone?
I am sorry for your loss and the loss we all have in losing an active RKBA supporter, and do not mean to seem insensitive with my speculation. It is just a very unfortunate and rare accident.
Nobody else was around to notice the gunshot and call emergency services?
A single accidental round in the abdomen would rarely result in death with timely medical care.
An aimed round fired to intentionally commit suicide with no intention of receiving medical care may.
A shot from an angry wife or someone else, and claimed to be a negligent discharge may as well.
Typical handguns are just not that reliably lethal that a random unaimed discharge to the abdomen would be likely to strike something important enough that prompt medical care could not keep the person alive.
Was he home alone?
I am sorry for your loss and the loss we all have in losing an active RKBA supporter, and do not mean to seem insensitive with my speculation. It is just a very unfortunate and rare accident.
Evergreen
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This is very sad.. You have my prayers..
Zoogster, not many people would aim for their abdomen to commit suicide. I would respect you don't make such accusations here.. It sounds like he may have been intoxicated. Certainly, if I am intoxicated the guns are away from me.
May God bless his family and help them through hard times.
Zoogster, not many people would aim for their abdomen to commit suicide. I would respect you don't make such accusations here.. It sounds like he may have been intoxicated. Certainly, if I am intoxicated the guns are away from me.
May God bless his family and help them through hard times.
FMJMIKE
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So sorry...Take care !
Tim the student
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I'm so sorry for your loss. You and your family will be in my thoughts.
Thank you for posting this.
Thank you for posting this.
Zoogster;
They live out in the country. My aunt, both cousins were home, and the police chief's son was over playing xBox with the younger of the two.
They unsealed the house tonight after the coroner gave the OK. My grandfather and I went out and cleaned up before my aunt and cousins returned home. Judging by the tear-off tabs left over from where they used a portable defibrillator, which were laying on the floor in the kitchen, his heart had stopped before they even got him out of the house and in to the ambulance.
My aunt applied pressure to the wound until the fire department paramedics showed up, but it took over 15 minutes for an ambulance to arrive. It was a contact wound, so there was not just the projectile but also expanding gas. Based on what little I've been able to piece together about where the wound was, and how fast he passed, I believe the bullet hit his aorta.
Hit a major vessel like that, a 30-minute round trip to the hospital is about 20 minutes too long.
It's been a long day. My aunt and cousins are doing as well as one could expect.
They live out in the country. My aunt, both cousins were home, and the police chief's son was over playing xBox with the younger of the two.
They unsealed the house tonight after the coroner gave the OK. My grandfather and I went out and cleaned up before my aunt and cousins returned home. Judging by the tear-off tabs left over from where they used a portable defibrillator, which were laying on the floor in the kitchen, his heart had stopped before they even got him out of the house and in to the ambulance.
My aunt applied pressure to the wound until the fire department paramedics showed up, but it took over 15 minutes for an ambulance to arrive. It was a contact wound, so there was not just the projectile but also expanding gas. Based on what little I've been able to piece together about where the wound was, and how fast he passed, I believe the bullet hit his aorta.
Hit a major vessel like that, a 30-minute round trip to the hospital is about 20 minutes too long.
It's been a long day. My aunt and cousins are doing as well as one could expect.
JTHunter
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Trent - my condolences on your loss. Keep remembering all the help he was when you needed him, what he taught you, and what he meant to you. Do your best to forget (yeah, not very likely) what happened and concentrate on the good. The pain will eventually lessen.
Chin up!
Chin up!
JTHunter.. it's easy to say, and to read, but not so easy to accept.
At my aunts request tonight, I removed all of the firearms from their house. I hit the floor tonight when I figured out which one was missing from his collection of 20+ weapons. The gun this happened with yesterday, was one I sold to him back in 2007. I called my cousin and asked where it was, and he told me it was the one the deputies took.
My uncle had a few stiff drinks after getting home from work. He was moving the weapon while my aunt was making dinner (raw meat for tacos was still on the stove in a pan when we went there tonight). He was moving the weapon, lost his balance, stumbled backwards, and when he reached out to catch himself, the gun twisted on the edge of the kitchen counter upwards, and went off.
What I saw there tonight, when we went there to clean, agrees 100% with my aunts story. It was a freak accident.
Four of the weapons I moved out tonight were loaded, all cylinders were loaded on three revolvers, and one semi-auto S&W 9mm had a hot pipe. The other 17 weapons I removed were unloaded and either in his cabinet, or in cases, unloaded.
The realist in me knows it could have happened with any of them, but I'm just at a total f'n loss that it was with one of the handguns I'd sold to him.
He wasn't careless with firearms, his finger never went to the trigger unless he was on target, and he was always very conscious about muzzle direction. Never thought that those might not matter if you're falling, automatic reflex kicks in you don't have any control over what happens with your hands.
Which is why I wrote what I did originally. Alcohol and guns don't mix. You can still obey all four rules and have an accident.
Anyway, I have a lot of thinking to do, and maybe some sleep. When I was a little kid, I didn't think bad about guns over what happened; my father chose to do what he did, and it wasn't the gun's fault. But this wasn't anyone's decision, it was just an intoxicated clumsy man moving a weapon from point A to point B, and losing his balance. The gun I sold him, with ammo he'd made himself.
At my aunts request tonight, I removed all of the firearms from their house. I hit the floor tonight when I figured out which one was missing from his collection of 20+ weapons. The gun this happened with yesterday, was one I sold to him back in 2007. I called my cousin and asked where it was, and he told me it was the one the deputies took.
My uncle had a few stiff drinks after getting home from work. He was moving the weapon while my aunt was making dinner (raw meat for tacos was still on the stove in a pan when we went there tonight). He was moving the weapon, lost his balance, stumbled backwards, and when he reached out to catch himself, the gun twisted on the edge of the kitchen counter upwards, and went off.
What I saw there tonight, when we went there to clean, agrees 100% with my aunts story. It was a freak accident.
Four of the weapons I moved out tonight were loaded, all cylinders were loaded on three revolvers, and one semi-auto S&W 9mm had a hot pipe. The other 17 weapons I removed were unloaded and either in his cabinet, or in cases, unloaded.
The realist in me knows it could have happened with any of them, but I'm just at a total f'n loss that it was with one of the handguns I'd sold to him.
He wasn't careless with firearms, his finger never went to the trigger unless he was on target, and he was always very conscious about muzzle direction. Never thought that those might not matter if you're falling, automatic reflex kicks in you don't have any control over what happens with your hands.
Which is why I wrote what I did originally. Alcohol and guns don't mix. You can still obey all four rules and have an accident.
Anyway, I have a lot of thinking to do, and maybe some sleep. When I was a little kid, I didn't think bad about guns over what happened; my father chose to do what he did, and it wasn't the gun's fault. But this wasn't anyone's decision, it was just an intoxicated clumsy man moving a weapon from point A to point B, and losing his balance. The gun I sold him, with ammo he'd made himself.
Trent, I know you're sorting through many emotions and thoughts, re-running scenarios in your mind and are exhausted as well. Try your best to put these things aside for the moment and get some rest. There will be a time to grieve but for now maybe some warm milk or cocoa and sleep.
PM me if you need a sounding board.
Geoff
PM me if you need a sounding board.
Geoff
MovedWest
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Very sorry to hear about your losses. It's always sad to lose a loved one. I hope your grief shares some positive light along with the sadness.
I also lost someone close many years ago to similar - but also very different - circumstances. The experience left it's marks on me, but helped make me who I am today. And I'm pretty happy with whom I've become.
-MW
I also lost someone close many years ago to similar - but also very different - circumstances. The experience left it's marks on me, but helped make me who I am today. And I'm pretty happy with whom I've become.
-MW
kyletx1911
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sorry my friend MAY GOD BLESS AND KEEP YOU AND YOURS
eagle 1953
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I`m new here but will keep you and your family in my prayers.
TNT in Round Rock
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Trent thank you for taking the time to share all of the information that you did ..
My deepest condolences to your family ..
My deepest condolences to your family ..
Geneseo1911
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Trent-
Thank you for posting the details of the story. When you spoke about the care you uncle took with his guns, and the manner in which the accident happen, it hit me pretty hard. This could happen to any of us. I often carry my guns loaded between my upstairs bedroom & downstairs safe. I know I will be re-evaluating the way I do things. I'm thinking I might unload unless using a holster from now on.
I'm very sorry for your loss. I thank you for sharing the story with us and reminding us that we can't take anything for granted.
Thank you for posting the details of the story. When you spoke about the care you uncle took with his guns, and the manner in which the accident happen, it hit me pretty hard. This could happen to any of us. I often carry my guns loaded between my upstairs bedroom & downstairs safe. I know I will be re-evaluating the way I do things. I'm thinking I might unload unless using a holster from now on.
I'm very sorry for your loss. I thank you for sharing the story with us and reminding us that we can't take anything for granted.
I feel your loss. I have been a friend of Kevin's for years. I ran the pin shoots at our club where he was a long time member and I never had an issue with him over either ethics or safety. Again, you said it well, "alcohol and guns don't mix". Stan.
I was wondering if, and hoping, that I'd run across some of his friends "out here". Stan, give me a call 642-5439. I know Kevin had a lot of friends at the club.
My aunt Jodi will be at the funeral home Sunday afternoon to make arrangements. I'll have more information about the visitation and funeral Sunday evening. The funeral proper will be in the masonic square at Glendale Memorial Gardens in Pekin, but I won't have a time to give out until the arrangements are finalized Sunday.
Kevin's passing is leaving the family in a tight spot. Social security benefits will be available for only 3 months, until Jared turns 18. After that, there won't be any benefits available to the family until my Aunt reaches retirement age.
I was with Jodi last night when they went home, after we finished straightening the house up. It was difficult, his sons and wife are devastated. You can't look anywhere in the house without seeing Kevin. His hat and glasses laying on the counter, the guitars in the livingroom, his shaving kit next to the sink... everywhere you look he's there.
I'm going to go check on them, but I'll have my phone with me if you call.
My aunt Jodi will be at the funeral home Sunday afternoon to make arrangements. I'll have more information about the visitation and funeral Sunday evening. The funeral proper will be in the masonic square at Glendale Memorial Gardens in Pekin, but I won't have a time to give out until the arrangements are finalized Sunday.
Kevin's passing is leaving the family in a tight spot. Social security benefits will be available for only 3 months, until Jared turns 18. After that, there won't be any benefits available to the family until my Aunt reaches retirement age.
I was with Jodi last night when they went home, after we finished straightening the house up. It was difficult, his sons and wife are devastated. You can't look anywhere in the house without seeing Kevin. His hat and glasses laying on the counter, the guitars in the livingroom, his shaving kit next to the sink... everywhere you look he's there.
I'm going to go check on them, but I'll have my phone with me if you call.
TexasBill
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I'm saddened to hear of your loss and the difficult times ahead for your family. Accidents like this are tragic but you shouldn't be too hard on yourself - other guns in the house were loaded and it was just a coincidence the pistol you sold to your uncle was the one involved.
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