Your MAIN choice for .45 ACP self-defense ammo?

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There seems to be a lot of ammo out there, from Speer Gold Dot to Hydra Shok to Black Talon to Starfire and on and on. What is your personal choice for stopping a threat immediately if need be in a .45 ACP cartridge? I should add it's for a Glock 30 and I've HEARD they can't or don't like to accept the +p ammo like TAP, Golden Saber and RCBD, but I may be wrong.
 
I use 8 round CMC mags loaded in the following combo even though it is highly unrecommended.
From top to bottom in the mag: Remington Golden Saber 230 Grain X 2, Federal Hydra Shok 230 Grain, Speer Gold Dot 230 Grain, RGS, FHS,SGD,RGS
 
Winchester generic white box 230 gr. JHP.

It has a good track record on the street, feeds in almost anything, is a lot cheaper than the designer bullets in the same weight, and pretty much anyone's el cheapo 230 gr. ball will duplicate the recoil and point of aim/point of impact.

I used to use 200 and 230 gr. +P gold dot loads until I got a colt commander. Now it's the standard WWB for me; not that I'd turn my nose up at any number of other good options .45 acp.

on edit; listen to rbernie, above...
 
Depends on the length of barrel. 4-5" I prefer 230gr JHPs. Doesn't really matter what brand.

For 3", I use 185gr Remington Golden Sabers.
 
Every gun is different. There is no #1 ammo for all guns. Just isn't going to happen. Not even for the same make and model of gun. YOU, need to go shoot different rounds and see which one YOU shoot the best. As far as arguing that this hollow point does better than this one; that shouldn't be a major concern. Just about all the name brand ammo from Win to Corbon to Federal to Remi will do what they are suppose to. OR; THEY WON'T. And ALL of them run the risk of NOT doing what they are suppose to. The main reason for HP is 1) Purposely make them slow down and not over penetrate. and 2) Handguns are much slower than a rifle. Therefor you need to try and get a BIGGER hole to make up for damage that it lacks in velocity. Hollow points is a way to cheat and make the bullet bigger.

In my SigSauer P220; the most ACCURATE round for this particular gun is Remington golden sabers 230 grain HP. However; the most accurate with my Springfield Armory 1911A1 circa 1985 is Federal Premium Hydra-Shok. Yet, in my 32acp FEG, Fiocchi HP are the best. And my S&W Model 13-1 357 mag likes 158 grain Hydra-Shoks the best. Every gun is different and every combination of gun and shooter is different. Find the most accurate for you.

On a side note: I really can never understand this, and I've researched it quite a bit. "The Real Mags" brought up something that some people do that make absolutely no sense to me. Why would people "Rotate" or "Stagger" different types of rounds in their magazine? Is it that you don't trust ANY ammo; or maybe even your shooting capabilities. And mixing 3 different manufacturers of the same type of ammo in a magazine makes really no sense. People do it with home defense shot guns also. I.e. 00 buck, then some 4 buck, then a slug, etc... I think there's too much reading Tom Clancy books or watching too many "Shootem Up" movies. The only time this ever made sense was with smaller guns like the 32acp. Because of it's size, some argue that it CAN'T expand enough and FMJ is the way to go to get some penetration. Some also say that when rounds get that small; many magazines don't feed hollow points too well. So some people put a Hollow Point in the chamber, and then the rest of the magazine is FMJ. I can understand this logic. For the others; there doesn't appear to be any logical reason; no reason based on physics or ballistics; and no reason based on defense purposes. It appears to be that the only valid reason is: "Because I want to and I'm allowed to". Sure enough, that is good enough. I was just wondering if anyone reading this actually had a legitimate reason, related to performance, to would justify mixing rounds in a gun. The closest I got to an answer was from someone who does it with shotguns. He said the slug on the 3rd round was in case the bad guy got too far out of reach for the 4 or 00 buck. I told him he better PRAY that he MISSES with the slug shot. That would really be difficult to explain to the police and eventually a court; "I needed the slug because he was about 200 feet away and the buck shot wasn't enough". Yea; that will go over well. Anyway; sorry for the off topic question. Just very curious if there are any PROVEN performance reasons (Other than those mentioned for the small guns) of why people put a mixture of ammo in their weapons. I just don't see it.
 
Forget Black Talons, they are hype. To find enough of them to test in your gun for reliability would cost you a small fortune. Winchester repackaged them as Rangers. SAME THING.

The real world answer is ANY premium JHP ammo that your gun cycles reliably. This means that you have PERSONALLY fired at least 200 rounds of this exact round in YOUR gun error free. The real-world difference between brands is very small. I also believe that there is very little real world difference between .45 hardball and .45 jhp.

Having said that, I switched from Federal Hydra-shoks to HSTs. They have been thoroughly tested to consistently expand to the size of a quarter. I use 230 grain in a full length barrel like the designer intended.

I'm not sure I have any use at all for +P ammo. The cartridge AND BULLET were designed to work at a certain velocity. If you carry a .45, it's probably because you (like me) believe in the big, slow, heavy bullet theory. A .45 has enough velocity to penetrate a human target enough to incapacitate. If you don't believe that, switch to something with hotter velocity, like a 10mm. If you don't think 875 fps will do the job, I'm not sure what difference you think 975-1000 fps will make.
 
wwb jhp's are going for about 32.00 for 50 rds at a local gun shop. can't beat that when it leaves you more money left over for practice ammo
 
There was a time when I would have suggested that you try several for function and accuracy. Perhaps some day I'll make that suggestion again. Some types do appear to function better in some guns. Accuracy, specifically accuracy testing on the other hand is such a large function of an individual shooters ability to follow directions: shoot from a rest, with a single aim point, for multiple shots---well you get the idea.

My advice today is get something in quantity that you can fill at least two magazines with at least that much to spare--i.e two 8-round mags with at least 16 rounds to spare, 32-35 rounds total.

You see most brand named self defense ammo will function in most guns most of the time---learn your remediation techniques and practice them religiously. It mostly shoots straight too! The simple fact here is that problems with most guns are not ammo--they come from bad grip, poor technique, cheap magazines and just plain bad luck.

I do it as cheaply as possible: several 8 round mags filled with Winchester 185 grain Silver Tip hollow points. I run this in a short barreled Kimber, a service length Springfield and in two or three full sized 1911 strategically placed for home defense and at least two polymer guns when I'm feeling nasty.. The last I found ran $10-12 per 20 round box.
 
Hornady 200 grn xtp hp over 6.1 grains of tightgroup. Makes 980 fps out of a 5" barrel and 910 fps out of a 3.5" barrel. All my spare mags carry 200 grn lswc over 5.7 grains of tightgroup for 880 and 850 fps. Poi is nearly the same at 50'.
 
I'm down to my last box of Doubletap 230gr Gold Dots for my SIG P220. Once those are gone (I shoot a mag/month) I'm plan on switching to Fiocchi 230gr JHP's. I picked up 500 rouunds of it for ~$220 a few months ago. I find that in my SIG is feeds reliably and is very accurate.
 
Rem 230gr golden saber. at the time i decided on it, it was the choice of the FBI HRT team. that doesn't necessarily make it the best choice....but i'm confident in it doing the job.
 
230 gr. FMJ

Because I want 230gr for the inertia/penetration, and HPs in that weight tend to have difficulty to expand reliably unless they are +P, and +P creates too much muzzle flip for me to comfortably shoot fast and accurate.
 
I own/carry/shoot primarily 9mm and .45Auto. In .45ACP, I like 230gr bullets, providing the gun has a barrel of 4" or more. Short barrel 45's get a diet of 185gr's. I really don't care what brand 230gr's I shoot, as long as they shoot to POA consistently.

I prefer a good JHP in 45, but a well placed FMJ still has a wound channel as large as a 9mm JHP full expanded.

I like heavy bullets for a given caliber for reliable penetration, but the most important factor for any gun is SHOT PLACEMENT. I like guns/ammo that make holes right where I point.

A few big holes, or a bunch of little holes in the right place will get the job done.

All that said, My XD45 Tactical loves Winchester Ranger 230+P JHP's the most (of the brands I've tried so far), and really hates the WWB 230gr FMJ.

My Taurus PT145Pro really liked the Speer Gold Dot "Short Barrel" 230gr JHP's. (Highly recommended for any short barrel 45).

All my 45's do well with Blazer Brass 230gr. FMJ for target practice.


Buy 'em and Try 'em. Carry/shoot what works in YOUR gun(s).
 
That glock will take +p ammo all day long and love it, dont worry about that. The G30 is also said by many to be the most accurate of the glock .45s.

My g21 gets 200gr gold dots when in the nightstand or being used in a serious manner. When plinking it eats 200gr lswcs.
 
I keep 4 loaded mags for my Ruger P90. Two with 230gr. ball,one with 180gr Winchester JHP and one with 230 Rem. Golden Sabres. A mag of ball stays in the gun.
 
Winchester Rangers usually test out best. Their marked for LE only but you can get them. 45ACP 230grn. 9mm 147's. Recovered rounds look like Talions





Jim
 
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I have 200 Gr Gold Dots in my 3" Kimber right now, but I am happy with any name brand HP that feeds 100% in my gun. I have carried Rem Golden Sabers, Hornady XTP's, Federal Hydra Shock's, Federal HST,and Winchester Ranger ammo before.

Mind set and shot placement and are more important. A well placed 230 Gr RN early in the game is better than the latest & greatest HP poorly placed, and especialy late and poorly placed.
 
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