.45 GAP is not .45 acp and other ammo stories

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It works both ways. I could spend a week or two telling about customers who were, let us say, deficient in knowledge. Like the guy who wanted .303 Savage ammo for his Rifle No. 4 because he had been told it was made by Savage. And the guy who brought back a box of 7.9 German military because it didn't fit his "German" Smith-Corona rifle. Or the genius who wanted low-recoil .357 Magnum ammo, but wouldn't use .38 Special because the bigger bullet would blow up the gun.

Jim
 
Many 9x19 mm Pistols have sufficient tension in thier extractors to hold and fire .380 ACP and for those who need subsonic loads and only have a 9x19mm pistol equipped with a silencer a .380 ACP can be used as a field expedient, usually good for one shot, then you need to clear the empty case as the weight of the suppressor and the expedient cartridge can lead to the pistol failing to cycle.

Ever see a 30/06 fired in a long throated 25/06? Barrel failed infront of the chamber and most of it departed down field, the bolt lugs were set back and basically the action was wrecked, shooter and spectators were thankfully uninjured.

Check once and then check again.
 
hehe..

While I can't avoid paying Walmart prices for WWB, I understand I'm paying for ammunition and not for the service behind the counter, and always check the boxes twice.
 
I was at Wal-mart trying to buy a .45 value pack...they guy says.."we have one ,but is says 40...can you use those?"I say"yeah,but they'll fall out of the end of the gun."He just looks at me like a deer in some headlights.....there's one kid whose pretty good,at least he doesn't ACT like he knows anything...but they have one older "lady" who always acts like you're bothering her..I love to spend some extra time at the counter having her pull out a bunch of different ammo for me :evil:
 
I was shooting with my brother last week and accidentally got one of his .40s in a mag for my 1911. When I shot it I thought it wa a squib, didn't even cycle the action. Necked it up at the front too. The base remained .40 but the upper half was .45. I think he kept it to show people.
 
I just remember once that I was in the market for a 22 LR revolver and the gun show dude tried to convince me that his 22 Mag revolver would shoot 22 LRs. Sigh!

But, I went out to the range with a buddy who brought a whole bag of gun show 380s for his Browning HP. I pointed that out to him. Oops.
 
Why not save yourself money, grief, and time and order your ammo from the Ammobank at:
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I'd stay away from these folks because they sell WW 100cnt "Value Packs" for $19.79. This is the same stuff Wal-Mart sells for $10.96.

Chris
 
I'd stay away from these folks because they sell WW 100cnt "Value Packs" for $19.79. This is the same stuff Wal-Mart sells for $10.96.
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Then you're getting one heck of a deal on the 100 ct .45 ACP value packs (don't tell 'em) because where I live the 50 count .45 ACP WW is 10.96 and the 100 ct $19 something or other.
 
Then you're getting one heck of a deal on the 100 ct .45 ACP value packs (don't tell 'em) because where I live the 50 count .45 ACP WW is 10.96 and the 100 ct $19 something or other.
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Sorry, I was referring to their price on the 9mm value packs. I should've been more specific.

Chris
 
45 GAP vs 45 ACP

The 45 GAP runs more pressure than a 45 ACP. If you can get it to fire in a 45 ACP chamber you would likely be overstressing the gun pressure wise. Might take it, but no safety margin left.
 
I actually buy most of my ammo from Wal Mart, it's cheap! Last time I went, the girl was very friendly. I usually ask for help but she approached me and asked if I needed anything out of the case. She even thanked me in a genuine way. I was very pleased with the transaction. :)
 
Why not save yourself money, grief, and time and order your ammo from the Ammobank
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Easy answer... Because they don't sell .45ACP 230gr FMJ for $7.00/50 IMH. (In My Hand)
Or .44 Special 240 L-SWC for $8.50/50 IMH.
Or .44 Magnum 240gr JHP for 12.50/50 IMH.


If you can get it to fire in a 45 ACP chamber you would likely be overstressing the gun pressure wise. Might take it, but no safety margin left.
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The .45GAP operates in the same pressure range as .45ACP+P.

Pressure isn't the problem because any gun, in good condition, correctly chambered for the .45 ACP can safely handle the .45 GAP pressures.

It's the headspace that can cause the problems.

But then I'm just a "no name ignorant poster" and my opinons mean nothing.
 
Gem, why not.

Gem, I'm not arguing and I have no experience with a 22mag revolver. Why can't you shoot a 22lr out of a 22mag revolver? I wouldn't expect it to be as accurate but I would think it would be like shooting 38 spl from a 357.
 
Why can't you shoot a 22lr out of a 22mag revolver?
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The 22mag has a larger OD than the 22lr. In guns where you CAN shoot both, the bore is a compromise, but you still have to switch cylinders.

Chris
 
Don't think of it as a .38 in a .357. Think of it as a .380 in a 9x18 makarov. (or a .40S&W in a .41 Mag)

The .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire uses a bullet that is .002" larger than a standard .22 Rimfire bullet. Accuracy is usually very acceptable in guns chamberd to fire both. The lead bullets used in .22 Short/Long/Long Rifle upset enough to fit the bore.

The .22WMR uses an inside lubricated bullet so the cartridge case is larger than the bullet. The .22 Short/Long/Long Rifle uses an outside lubricated bullet so the cartridge case is the same size at the bullet.


The real problem in firing a standard .22RF cartridge in a .22 WMR chamber is that head/rim diameter. The larger rim/head diameter of the .22 WMR means that a standard .22RF round won't be fully supported for the firing pin strike.
There is no real "danger" in firing a .22RF in a .22WMR chamber but misfires can be commonplace.

The firing pin in a .22 revolver hits the rim at the 12 o'clock position.
A standard .22 in a .22WMR chamber, due to gravity, will settle in the 6 o'clock position. Quite often the firing pin just "nips" the edge of the rim and sometimes they will fire and sometimes they won't.



But the most important thing, in my opinion, is that due to the overly large chamber and throat of the .22WMR, the accuracy of a standard .22RF fired in it simply stinks!
 
Bluesbear, Mntbkr
Thanks for the info, you may have kept me from looking like an idiot at the range.
 
Confused learner here...

I am new to the topic entirely and trying to learn, so excuse my ignorance please. I recently start shoting and been at a range few times (about 300 rounds so far). Today, I went to the range with my wife for her to try out few guns. Since I intend to purchase a .45, I wanted my wife to try it as well. The "cowboy" behind the counter grilled me for asking .45 rentals and lectured me about the calibers. He "allowed" me to try a 9mm. We both expanded a box and moved up to .45 using an HK compact and then HK Expert. I already knew I shot better with .45 (today I had five out of five rounds within less than 2" at 30' - group of three holes touching each other and the other two touching each other :cool: which made the guy at the next booth to take a step back and checked me out, eyes wide open :what: ) but turns out my wife - first timer - did better as well, relatively speaking.
My question is what is it with all different calibers, lengths, grains, necks, coppers, leads, hallows, etc? How do I learn which one is the right one for my gun, which one is the one right for the purpose it is intended for? Do I trust the Wallmart "team member", local supply store clerk/owner, forum advice, etc? I am rather confused. I've been to few "pro" shops and have already been told things not accurate that even I know about (i.e., date codes don't mean anything on HK guns, P7M8 is not available yet, etc...).
Whom do I trust considering I was already exposed to inconsistent advice/information already with my so very limited exposure in thes matters. I don't think I believe anything you may say neither... :scrutiny: :p
 
No, you can't trust the Wal Mart counter people. At least I wouldn't! :neener:

The caliber of the gun is pretty much always stamped on the gun itself. As long as that is right, anything you shoot in terms of grains and bullet type will be all right.

And it's both the number and the letter of the cartridge, not just the number.
 
The only way to find the gun and caliber that is "perfect" for you and your significant other is to try hundreds of them until you find "the one" gun that becomes part of your body when its in your hand (you'll know the feeling)

Trust no one else in making this decision, take opinions and suggestions but dont let them sway your decision, just let them help you make an informed one.

This is a good way to a good defensive firearm.
 
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