Yugo M70: To Fold or Not To Fold

[HorseSoldier]

On the underfolder or fixed topic, I personally would agree with earlier posts about the underfolder being less ergonomic in terms of actual shooting, cheek weld, and such. However, wrapping the underfolder with 550 cord (I've heard other people use foam pipe insulation) to give it a little bit of cushion seems to help a lot.

As for which to buy, in the same situation a while back I opted for the underfolder simply because I felt an AK was an AK (as far as operation and such go) but the underfolder has the potential to appreciate in value if some future assault weapons ban grandfather's it in as a legal folding/collapsible stock weapon.

And it scares the gun haters out there a little more than a fixed stock AK.

 

[Browning]

dstorm1911 : Browning, actually the Yugo underfolders are real comfortable,....

Sorry, but I'll argue that point as it's something that I'm for sure on.

I've actually tried them out before and I've fired several AK (Chinese) underfolders and they aren't comfortable to me. Maybe other people find them comfortable and they're willing to put up with it just for the looks and convienence of being able to fold it in half, but I'm not. If people like them, then that's great and they're more than welcome to use that if that's what they like, but it's side folders or full length stocks for me.

That thin unpadded steel strut hitting me in the cheek with each round and the stock going all over the place isn't what I consider a good time. I've fired an MP-40 submachinegun that had a folding stock of similiar design and after 65 years or so of use even it didn't wobble that badly.

 

[Nameless_Hobo]

I'd get the underfolder and wrap it. No worse than a normal stock, in my opinion.

 

[Browning]

Nameless_Hobo : I'd get the underfolder and wrap it. No worse than a normal stock, in my opinion.

Some won't fold up if you do that, the material gets in the way.

 

[HorseSoldier]

Some won't fold up if you do that, the material gets in the way.

I can't speak for all AK types out there, but you can wrap a Yugo underfolder and still use the folding stock.

 

[Browning]

HorseSoldier : I can't speak for all AK types out there, but you can wrap a Yugo underfolder and still use the folding stock.

With some there isn't much room even if you did it with something thin like paracord, the strut doesn't have enough clearance to get by.

With some (like from what you're saying the Yugo) the strut goes out a little more and it isn't a problem, but with some AK's it is.

 

[dstorm1911]

Browning did ya miss the part above about zero comparison to a Chinese underfolder partner? the geometry is totally different on the two Rifles the Chinese one drops almost 4" down from bore line and yes they totally suck for shooting........

Ya would have to actually shoot a YUGO underfolder not a polish, not a chinese and not a russian but a YUGO to know the difference as the Yugo built rifles pretty much took the reciever group from the AK design they then totally redesigned everything else from the rear trunion to the front trunion the onlything interchangable with any other countries AK is the bolt, bolt carrier the folding stocks do not interchange as the Yugo locking pins are a few degrees off (thats why they stay straight insteada dropping away) if ya try putting a Yugo folder rear trunion into a Chinese reciever (both are the same thickness) ya will find the holes do not line up......


Browning about wrapping, look at the pictures of my folded and wrapped Yugo above....... I'd say it works just fine in fact there is plenty of room for a side rail scope mount....... WHY partner would ya make such a statement when there is a picture of a wrapped and folded Yugo right in front of your eyes?

Partner are ya just so dead set against underfolders that ya are scrambling for something to use to argue against em? I mean ya start out with how ya don't have any experience with Yugos but...... Then several posts AFTER being told bout the Geometry differences between a Yugo and a Chinese ya refference an experience with shooting a chineese one bein how ya know for certain a Yugo can't possibly be comfortable as an argument against a YUGO OWNER who clearly has more to base his statement about em being comfortable on than you do as....... well ya done stated no experience with the YUGO etc....

It appears ya are simply looking for something to argue bout and personally I'm not buyin into it, if others wanna bang their head against that wall have at it....

 

[MudPuppy]

I swear I saw someone's M90/95 running with an ACE folder. I've got a M90 set up with a fixed stock and absolutely agree the Yugo fixed stock is less comfortable than the standard pattern AKM. (I'm not really an underfolder fan--so I still prefer the fixed, but recognize I'm "settling".)

When you ask folks that have actually used both fixed and underfolder YUGO specific AKMs, the underfolder seems to be the definite favorite from a shooter ergo perspective. (vice versa for euro/chinese types.)

If you can't actually shoulder (and hopefully acutally fire) the two types, at least sift through to responses from folks that understand/have experience with the difference in the yugo types.

 

[dstorm1911]

Mudpuppy, its so easy to make an adapter to fit the Yugo I can't see why ACE as well as ATI Krebs etc... have not jumped on doing so, several folks have made there own as all ya gotta do is cut a chunk of alluminum to fit the socket drill a center bolt hole then ya could easily bolt an ACE adapter to it or drill and tap for an M4 etc... that square rear socket just begs for custom adaption the trick idea would be to setup at least 3/4" before the section ya'd mount your chosen stock to if it wasn't going to be an M4 so ya could mount onea the new Krebs rails on it when they hit the streets


I'm already working on my own adapter to make it work on an underfolder it'll add 3/4" to the rear of the Underfolder but I think its worth it

 

[MIL-DOT]

can anyone tell me what the finish on these is? one distributor told me " uh, it's a phospate....matte blue finish". i asked him,"well, is it a phosphate finish OR is it blued? they're not the same". he finally settled on matte blue, but you can see why i'd like a 2nd opinion. thanks.....

 

[dstorm1911]

The ones built by Century are black manganese phosphate with paint over them the original Yugo's are blued, Century finishes are never anything to write home about but then $430 for Century or $900 for a pro built Yugo the pro built guns are usually parkerized and then Moly resin finishes or original style hot tank blued in either case ya can have a century gun refinished by Macs Shootin irons for bout $150 and still be ahead of the game if ya don't care for their finish etc... Mac does a world class finish thats parked then moly resin and super tough.. the finish we use on the custom guns depends on the customers requirements the lower maintenance finish is park then resin but for a collector its gotta be hot tank blued

 

[MIL-DOT]

thanks again, dstorm. m.

 

[Ash]

I used to own a wood-stocked Yugo and it shouldered/aimed just fine. I was going to buy the under-folder merely to have it for when they get banned, but I did not find it comfortable. Others may and that's just fine by me. But for me, they are not, plain and simple. And I dismiss the argument that they are more comfortable than the wood-stocked rifles. They may be for some, but not me. I hated the way the butt-felt against my shoulder, and hated the weld you got. It did not feel good to me and I do have experience with them.

Ash

 

[Browning]

dstorm1911 : Browning about wrapping, look at the pictures of my folded and wrapped Yugo above....... I'd say it works just fine in fact there is plenty of room for a side rail scope mount....... WHY partner would ya make such a statement when there is a picture of a wrapped and folded Yugo right in front of your eyes?

I guess you missed the part where I said "some".

Partner are ya just so dead set against underfolders that ya are scrambling for something to use to argue against em? I mean ya start out with how ya don't have any experience with Yugos but...... Then several posts AFTER being told bout the Geometry differences between a Yugo and a Chinese ya refference an experience with shooting a chineese one bein how ya know for certain a Yugo can't possibly be comfortable as an argument against a YUGO OWNER who clearly has more to base his statement about em being comfortable on than you do as....... well ya done stated no experience with the YUGO etc....

It appears ya are simply looking for something to argue bout and personally I'm not buyin into it, if others wanna bang their head against that wall have at it....

I'm hardly scrambling, just having a conversation and expressing my opinion.

I don't have any vested interest one way or the other.

If people want to buy them, they are more than welcome to go right ahead.

I didn't try a YUGO underfolder, somehow I don't think that geometry is going to help a thin steel strut become anymore comfortable between models from different countries. You're more than welcome to your opinion, I have mine.

What more is there to say?

 

[gp911]

Actually Browning, there is a pretty big difference in how they feel, partly in where the folder lines up and partly in the extra weight of the Yugo models. I won't go so far as to recommend it to someone without them trying one for themselves though, as my Yugo fits me and some others fine but 3 different people who shot it found it to be uncomfortable and awkward.

Not trying to pile on, I'll admit they're not for everybody, but there is a fit difference between models that some people appreciate.


gp911