Old Dog
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I must say, it's quite interesting seeing bashing of a gun's potential ... when the gun in question isn't even in production yet.
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Denis
That's what we do Old Dog, we bash guns we haven't handled, or dry fired, or live fired yet, and assume because a manufacturer had issues in the past, that it will be a problem again.I must say, it's quite interesting seeing bashing of a gun's potential ... when the gun in question isn't even in production yet.
I must say, it's quite interesting seeing bashing of a gun's potential ... when the gun in question isn't even in production yet.
I hate to say it, but I think Colt fumbled the ball here. They should have offered this revolver in .357. Now I know and you know that a revolver that size is a brute to fire with full charge .357s, but nevertheless, that fact that it's only available in .38 Special will affect sales.
Oh, I agree that anyone who shoots .357s in a snubby will find himself completely satisfied after a few rounds. But that's being practical -- and most guns are bought on emotion. If they offered this gun in both .38 Special and .357, I'd bet the .357 would be the run away best seller.Perhaps but I do not agree. That it is rated for +P ammo will appeal to many six gun enthusiasts. I once owned a 2 inch Lawman and that cured me of magnum loads in a snubby. This is not to say you are wrong. We shall see if they make that change down the road.
...If they offered this gun in both .38 Special and .357, I'd bet the .357 would be the run away best seller.
Back from Vegas tonight.
Did not make Range Day on Monday, so have not fired the new Cobra, but did handle a couple booth samples, talked to a design engineer on the project, and Colt's Custom Shop Manager.
If Colt can maintain the quality I saw in those booth samples through production guns, this new Cobra will sell.
Very well machined & assembled.
DA trigger IS linear, as described, with none of the older traditional Colt V-Spring stacking.
Smooth DA travel, clean SA break.
Prices are kept down by designing the action with MIM technology & riding tight enough herd on parts speccing to require hand fitting on only ONE SINGLE PART- the hand.
And Colt's even working on a process to eliminate that.
They've put a helluva lot of engineering effort into the gun.
I liked what I saw.
It'll never measure up to The Old Fart Club, but I think it'll have no problem standing on its own merits.
Denis
The much repeated BS about Colt "turning its back" on the regular consumer is just that- BS.
No company, Colt or anybody else, should be expected to continue manufacturing non-profitable product lines because a segment of its customer base feels that company owes it to them.
Colt had limited resources & made a business decision to allocate those resources toward products that WERE profitable.
They didn't do that just to poke you in the eye.
Had you & others been buying those discontinued revolvers in sufficient numbers to justify Colt keeping them in production, you can bet those guns would still be in the catalog.
You go start up a business manufacturing red widgets & blue widgets.
You'll have the resources to build a finite number of widgets in total.
You start out making equal numbers, 50% red, 50% blue.
In a couple years you notice that red widgets are outselling blue widgets 100 to 1.
You can't keep up with red widget orders, while blue widgets are stacking up on shelves waiting for orders to come in.
The blue widget orders are intermittent, but operating expenses are constant.
You're a for-profit business, you have to not only pay your bills or go under, but make a profit, or there's no point in bothering to run the biz.
Gee. Tough decision there.
But, you make that tough decision, and you swing all available resources into expanding production of red widgets, and you drop the blues.
Sales increase exponentially, you stay afloat, you actually make money, and you simply tell those few people now deciding they want blue widgets "Sorry, had to move on."
The Blue Widget Brigade, completely ignoring the realities of the manufacturing world, may hate you forever for "abandoning" them, but business IS, after all, BUSINESS.
And you REMAIN in business.
Buy the Cobra or don't, but this unfounded resentment against Colt for doing what it had to do to survive is nothing but idiotic.
Denis
With 6 rounds, I think it becomes at least a 4" gun, which will tip less high-OWB and the grip then be more concealable, when the muzzle has more leverage below the belt.I might consider new Cobra if they offer it in 6" bbl
I've cancelled my sample request & won't be getting one.
The business case for continuing the production of double action revolvers was not there. There were several factors:The U.S. consumer market is the largest firearms market in the world. They had a preeminent brand in the largest market in the world and couldn't do anything with it? They walked away from that for government contract work? Sheesh. Seems a tad short-sighted.
MIM outsourced.
One booth rep said they don't discuss details like that when I pointed out the MIM hammer & trigger, another booth rep mentioned parts vendors in a discussion about tolerances & quality.
And I'm outa further discussions on this gun.
I've cancelled my sample request & won't be getting one.
There'll be others who can answer additional questions on the Cobra.
Denis
The business case for continuing the production of double action revolvers was not there. There were several factors:
- In 1996, the supply of DA revolvers exceeded the demand;
[*]Semiautomatic handguns were replacing DA revolvers in the marketplace and were less expensive to produce;
[*]Plant and equipment had reached the ends of their economic life cycles;
[*]Unit labor costs were not competitive;
[*]The products required extensive handwork by a workforce that was rapidly disappearing due to age.
The growth in the concealed carry market, the development of new, less costly, high quality manufacturing processes, and the opportunity to introduce a competitive product (six shots and a manageable trigger pull) seem to have led Colt to bet on the Cobra.
(Referring to "the products required extensive handwork by a workforce that was rapidly disappearing due to age.") Someone with remarkable foresight and a very long planning horizon may well have foreseen that in time, the basic 1889 design, with its inherent requirement for extensive handwork and periodic factory adjustments, would not forever remain competitive with other designs or survive in completion with the new technology that would later be introduced by Ruger. Someone may even have predicted the day in which mass produced semiautomatic pistols would replace revolvers in police service. However, if there was no such person, or if his or her lone voice was ignored, I would not blame management.Completely foreseeable. Again, they failed to keep up with changing conditions.
Someone may even have predicted the day in which mass produced semiautomatic pistols would replace revolvers in police service. However, if there was no such person, or if his or her lone voice was ignored, I would not blame management..
Well, at some point they did, and they also evaluated the rest of the market and the competition, and they stopped producing double action revolvers.That [predicting when mass produced semiautomatic pistols would replace revolvers in police service. ] 's Management's job -- what do they think the stockholders pay them for?