Post-SHOT Show Colt Cobra Update
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It would be nice to see in the future a .357 version a la Magnum Carry which will probably come out. From there I would like to see a .357 Diamondback type version as there is not much out there in relatively light 4" bbl adjustable sighted 6 shot .357 revolvers.
According to the senior VP of Colt, Paul Spitale, the entire small frame revolver line will be known as the Cobra. Its possible that there could be a light weight Cobra or a Target Cobra with longer barrel and adjustable sights. Whatever variations result, it sounds as though there will be other versions
BSA1
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I have often posted that I think the Police Positive Special is a excellent choice for folks with small hands and weak wrists as a result carpel tunnel. The slightly smaller frame and grip and lighter weight as compared to the S&W K-Frame makes for a comfortable shooting gun. In addition the V-Spring action is much easier when used in double action.
However the smaller and lighter weight does create more recoil with +P loads.
The biggest downside to the original V Spring is trigger stacking. It will be interesting to see how Colt addresses this issue.
At least we know there's no interest in the gun & the re-entry of Colt into the DA revolver field has been a spectacular Ho-Hum flop.
Denis
That is not a fair statement at all. Four pages of replies certainly shows interest. You are confusing concerns about Colt's past quality control and business practices and doubts about them to bring a high quality handgun that Colt fans expect to market.
So far all you have posted was your impressions when handling a gun you did not shoot. I want to read more about the technical aspects of the gun such as how does it size and weight directly compare to the original P.P.S. / D.S. guns, what is the size of the grip frame (long or short) and the double and single action trigger pull. As I commented I want to know how Colt has addressed the trigger stacking of V-Spring action.
If production hasn't started yet and the first year production is already sold out then it sounds like guns will not be available until 2019. Even more directly to the heart of the matter is what is the mrsp and out-the-door prices finally going to be?
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RealGun
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Smith's 6-shot 38 snub isn't popular that I can tell. Why is that?
RealGun
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"Sold out" to distributors or sold out to actual consumer orders? I suspect it only applies to Colt's perspective, with most of the guns actually for sale by dealers and distributors.
Coal Dragger
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Heck with Amazon Prime it might even be free with your subscription. Complimentary sense of humor.
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Also for BSA1 to counter his sample of one experience with Colt, I shall give my sample of one experience (well actually more than one).
I served in the Marine Corps from 1998 to 2004 as an 0351 Assault-Man. I had at various times 4 different M16 variants issued to me and 3 of them were Colts. None of them were bad rifles and I liked the Colts better than my last M16A4 which was an FN.
I currently own one Colt product from Colt's Defense, an M4A1 Carbine in the SOCOM II configuration. The only complaint I have is that Colt only made 1500 of these for the civvy market with that roll mark (M4A1), barrel, and RIS II rail combo. So it is becoming somewhat valuable for collectors and I don't want to beat on it. Otherwise it is extremely well made, 100% reliable thus far, and very accurate. They made it to be shot, and shot a lot.
Hopefully their new DA revolvers are made with the same principle in mind of providing a good duty grade working gun for a reasonable price. They seem to be with their current 1911's and I'm confident they can with their DA revolvers.
I served in the Marine Corps from 1998 to 2004 as an 0351 Assault-Man. I had at various times 4 different M16 variants issued to me and 3 of them were Colts. None of them were bad rifles and I liked the Colts better than my last M16A4 which was an FN.
I currently own one Colt product from Colt's Defense, an M4A1 Carbine in the SOCOM II configuration. The only complaint I have is that Colt only made 1500 of these for the civvy market with that roll mark (M4A1), barrel, and RIS II rail combo. So it is becoming somewhat valuable for collectors and I don't want to beat on it. Otherwise it is extremely well made, 100% reliable thus far, and very accurate. They made it to be shot, and shot a lot.
Hopefully their new DA revolvers are made with the same principle in mind of providing a good duty grade working gun for a reasonable price. They seem to be with their current 1911's and I'm confident they can with their DA revolvers.
BSA1
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I must really be off target today. I am not trying to be sarcastic.
Which is an improvement and something I will judge for myself when they become commonly available.
Actually I have owned five Colt handguns and we currently own two. One is a Series 70 Gold Cup 45 acp. I regularly shoot 2” groups at 15 yards with it. The gun is capable of 1” 25 yard groups but the shooter isn’t.
The other one is a Colt Police Positive Special 3rd production model. I actually got a good deal on it at Cabelas of all places. 98% condition. It is my wife’s gun which she loves. So I am not being sarcastic when I say it is an ideal choice for women.
All I know about the Cobra is DPris post and the picture on page 38 of The American Rifleman. Nice picture but no facts. They are reusing a name but is it the same size and weight of the original?
Denis says in Post #78 that production has not even started yet. Beretta fans know about the start-up problems they are having with their new plant in Tennessee. Colt has to train employees which will be no small task since very few has experience making revolvers. Does anyone know how many employees Colt has making their SAA revolvers?
Consider the some of the problems Smith and Wesson has had with quality control and they have been continuously making the same model of revolvers for decades. Colt only lists 107 firearms on their website. Most of them are merely variations of the same model. There is going to be a steep learning curve, rejection of parts and guns and low production until everything is ironed out.
Lighten up Guys. I know Colt has lost customers because of them selling junk guns. Just because I am critical of Colt’s quality control over the past 20+ years doesn’t mean I am against a new product. What it means is I will not order and pay for one sight unseen like I did with the SAA.
RealGun
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Could we skip the bullying of BSA1 and discuss the gun?
Yes, please, let's get back to the gun, as I've asked before. If we've run out of things (about the gun) to discuss, we'll just call this thread "done" and move on.
I, for one, welcome any new revolver to the market, and would love to get a chance to evaluate any of them when they come out, this one included.
I, for one, welcome any new revolver to the market, and would love to get a chance to evaluate any of them when they come out, this one included.
Coal Dragger
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About the new Cobra.....
Potential Positives:
1.) Competitively priced.
2.) Designed for easy mass production.
3.) Design should be scalable for different models.
4.) Evidently has an improved DA trigger.
5.) Easily interchangeable front sight.
Potential Negatives:
1.) Not particularly attractive looking to some.
2.) Uses modern manufacturing techniques that will upset the fudds and collectors. Heard some guys carping on this yesterday.
3.) Not currently offered in a carbon steel model with bluing.
4.) Rear sight is typical channel in top strap, I would prefer a low profile dovetailed rear for a cleaner sight picture and windage adjustment.
Unknowns:
1.) Unproven design.
2.) Unproven durability.
3.) Unproven reliability.
4.) Unproven accuracy.
5.) Not clear if other frame sizes and models are in the works.
6.) Not clear if Colt Custom shop will be offering work on these.
7.) Unknown if aftermarket will step up with supporting products.
Potential Positives:
1.) Competitively priced.
2.) Designed for easy mass production.
3.) Design should be scalable for different models.
4.) Evidently has an improved DA trigger.
5.) Easily interchangeable front sight.
Potential Negatives:
1.) Not particularly attractive looking to some.
2.) Uses modern manufacturing techniques that will upset the fudds and collectors. Heard some guys carping on this yesterday.
3.) Not currently offered in a carbon steel model with bluing.
4.) Rear sight is typical channel in top strap, I would prefer a low profile dovetailed rear for a cleaner sight picture and windage adjustment.
Unknowns:
1.) Unproven design.
2.) Unproven durability.
3.) Unproven reliability.
4.) Unproven accuracy.
5.) Not clear if other frame sizes and models are in the works.
6.) Not clear if Colt Custom shop will be offering work on these.
7.) Unknown if aftermarket will step up with supporting products.
"The biggest downside to the original V Spring is trigger stacking. It will be interesting to see how Colt addresses this issue."
Grant Cunningham has or used to have an article on his website addressing this issue. It has to do with the internal geometry of the trigger and hammer assemblies and not the spring design per se. He mentions Dan Wesson also has this problem. See:
http://www.grantcunningham.com/2010...he-type-of-mainspring-affect-action-stacking/
http://www.grantcunningham.com/2007/06/what-causes-stacking/
Grant Cunningham has or used to have an article on his website addressing this issue. It has to do with the internal geometry of the trigger and hammer assemblies and not the spring design per se. He mentions Dan Wesson also has this problem. See:
http://www.grantcunningham.com/2010...he-type-of-mainspring-affect-action-stacking/
http://www.grantcunningham.com/2007/06/what-causes-stacking/
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