Mexican Carry Strikes Again

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I'm sure that most of the folks who frequent this site have rarely, if ever, hung out with bad actors (much less armed bad guys...) so I can forgive the general impression that criminals don't use holsters for their weapons.... In fact I actually arrested more than one guy involved in something nasty that had little or no explanation of why they had a holster belted on their person (after having tossed or dropped the weapon somewhere...). It was also amusing to find extra ammo in an arrestee's pocket (or even a spare clip for an automatic) after they'd already tossed the firearm... The best evidence (and something I actually saw more than once on the street...) was someone that we had in custody with a nice, neat cut on the inside of the thumb on their shooting hand. In all the general excitement of an armed confrontation more than one guy (including one I worked with who used a Walther PPK...) will grab an auto pistol with their hand too high on the grip and get a "slide cut" when they fire the weapon....

Note to young cops -any time you're handling someone that might have been involved in any conflict (armed or otherwise... make a point of examining their hands). Cuts, abrasions, bruises, stains... all tell a story....
 
No matter how you carry the thing to remember is you are legally responsible for where that bullet goes and what it does even if it's an accidental discharge.
 
lemaymiami said:
I'm sure that most of the folks who frequent this site have rarely, if ever, hung out with bad actors (much less armed bad guys...) so I can forgive the general impression that criminals don't use holsters for their weapons.... In fact I actually arrested more than one guy involved in something nasty that had little or no explanation of why they had a holster belted on their person (after having tossed or dropped the weapon somewhere...). It was also amusing to find extra ammo in an arrestee's pocket (or even a spare clip for an automatic) after they'd already tossed the firearm... The best evidence (and something I actually saw more than once on the street...) was someone that we had in custody with a nice, neat cut on the inside of the thumb on their shooting hand. In all the general excitement of an armed confrontation more than one guy (including one I worked with who used a Walther PPK...) will grab an auto pistol with their hand too high on the grip and get a "slide cut" when they fire the weapon....

Note to young cops -any time you're handling someone that might have been involved in any conflict (armed or otherwise... make a point of examining their hands). Cuts, abrasions, bruises, stains... all tell a story....
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I had the original PPK in .380 (not the lengthened PPK/S) and small hands to boot. I still got the infamous slide cut unless wearing shooting gloves. But, I am also always banging around on fixing stuff and often find cuts and abrasions when washing up that I did not know I had.
 
I actually arrested more than one guy involved in something nasty that had little or no explanation of why they had a holster belted on their person (after having tossed or dropped the weapon somewhere...). It was also amusing to find extra ammo in an arrestee's pocket (or even a spare clip for an automatic) after they'd already tossed the firearm...
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Which is precisely the reason that holsters aren't commonly used by criminals. Obviously there are always exceptions to the rule, but anyone who can think far enough ahead to realize they might have to ditch the gun would realize that an empty holster would be a dead giveaway.
I still got the infamous slide cut unless wearing shooting gloves.
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Take the slide off and round the sharp edges lightly with a fine file or an abrasive stone. This is one reason I like stainless guns--light modifications like this don't require refinishing. You may not be able to stop the slide from contacting your hand, but you can stop it from cutting you.

By the way, here's the latest victim of holsterless carry. Shot himself while trying to rob a hotdog stand. I'll leave it at that--the jokes are just too easy.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/shoot-penis-hot-dog-stand_us_59fc8f64e4b0b0c7fa39d30f
 
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LOVE all the hate for the "Mexican carry".
It was done for a LONG,LONG,LONG time back when men actually carried a 1911 or a SA Colt.
Yes, I am sure that there were AD's and ND's.
BUT look at the same fact of ND's & AD's in "modern times" with level 1,2 & 3 security holster carry.
I have recently carried a Glock in the manner y'all are dumping on.
BIG difference is I carry it with a trigger block that also acts as a limiter to stop it from dropping down.
You can actually conceal that gun or almost any semi auto with only a 'T' shirt to cover and ------ IT WORKS.
 
I have recently carried a Glock in the manner y'all are dumping on.
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No you haven't. As you said, you do something that is, although similar in one way, very different in another way.
BIG difference is I carry it with a trigger block that also acts as a limiter to stop it from dropping down.
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That IS a BIG difference. While I wouldn't say a trigger block replaces a holster, it does go a long way toward eliminating a lot of the worst possible outcomes of simply shoving a gun in your waistband.

And anything that holds the pistol in position and keeps it from dropping down out of position also reduces the chances of having the pistol end up on the floor, or anyplace else it shouldn't be.
 
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Well I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume it was a striker fired with no safety. I will admit that I have employed the Mexican carry with a 1911 in the past. If I'm not expecting someone and get a knock late at night, I will shove a nightstand gun in my wasteband. I have not done this since switching to Glocks though, so I will have to rethink my strategy on that one. I guess I'll just have to hold it behind my back or something.
 
grampajack said:
Well I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume it was a striker fired with no safety. I will admit that I have employed the Mexican carry with a 1911 in the past. If I'm not expecting someone and get a knock late at night, I will shove a nightstand gun in my wasteband. I have not done this since switching to Glocks though, so I will have to rethink my strategy on that one. I guess I'll just have to hold it behind my back or something.
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If I get a knock on my door late at night I'm not expecting I don't open my door. I guess it depends on where you live.
 
grampajack said:
Well I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume it was a striker fired with no safety. I will admit that I have employed the Mexican carry with a 1911 in the past. If I'm not expecting someone and get a knock late at night, I will shove a nightstand gun in my wasteband. I have not done this since switching to Glocks though, so I will have to rethink my strategy on that one. I guess I'll just have to hold it behind my back or something.
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Have had it happen a few times over the decades = gun is IN HAND.
 
Good Ol' Boy said:
Because they can.

As much as I am against over regulation from the govt, I don't think I would mind a law that said if you are going to legally carry a pistol (open or concealed) that it must be in "some" type of holster.
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Why?

The guy shot HIMSELF -- we should applaud that. It's like chlorine in the gene pool.
 
The guy shot HIMSELF...
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I don't mind that part. I don't care for the part where the gun slips out of position and ends up discharging either when it hits the floor or when the person carrying it grabs for it and hits the trigger. It's not always the person carrying the gun who gets shot...
 
JohnKSa said:
I don't mind that part. I don't care for the part where the gun slips out of position and ends up discharging either when it hits the floor or when the person carrying it grabs for it and hits the trigger. It's not always the person carrying the gun who gets shot...
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But often enough, it is. :)
 
Jack B. said:
If I get a knock on my door late at night I'm not expecting I don't open my door. I guess it depends on where you live.
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I have security doors (go to home depot or lowes website and type "security doors" in the search box) on all my exterior doors so I can open the wood door with no danger of the person outside getting in. This is a much better solution than simply not answering the door because around here one of the most common m.o.'s of wannabe intruders is to ring the bell and wait to see if anyone answers... if no one answers they go around the back and try to break in. Something like a Ring brand doorbell (you see on your phone who's there and talk to them without opening the door) is also IMO a better solution than simply not answering.
 
Ironicaintit said:
I've done it. Not long....going from the car to the house, or vice versa, when I have an extra pistol to tote at the time. Not "carrying" really, just transporting.
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Likewise, and infrequently. About 20 paces. And enough to know that it's a really poor way to carry.

(But it fit the nihilistic character of my favorite bad guy, Boyd Crowder in "Justified", with his Beretta 92FS)
 
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scaatylobo wrote:
LOVE all the hate for the "Mexican carry".
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No hate. Just amusement (bemusement?) at the person in the original story who didn't make sure their gun was more secure. After all, they had to have noticed from the moment they stuck it in their waistband that it was not well secured.

It was done for a LONG,LONG,LONG time back when men actually carried a 1911 or a SA Colt.
Yes, I am sure that there were AD's and ND's.
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Yes, and after the ones carrying it that way with weak elastic removed themselves from the gene pool, we, as a species were free to continued on what Jacob Bronowski termed, "The Ascent of Man".

I have recently carried a Glock in the manner y'all are dumping on.
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Thanks for putting that image in the mind of the readers. :barf: Obviously, the elastic in your drawers was not too worn out and you managed to get the gun from point A to point B without incident.

You can actually conceal that gun or almost any semi auto with only a 'T' shirt to cover and ------ IT WORKS.
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Perhaps you would be better of phrasing that as "IT CAN WORK" because in the article in the original post it clearly didn't work.
 
hdwhit said:
No hate. Just amusement (bemusement?) at the person in the original story who didn't make sure their gun was more secure. After all, they had to have noticed from the moment they stuck it in their waistband that it was not well secured.



Yes, and after the ones carrying it that way with weak elastic removed themselves from the gene pool, we, as a species were free to continued on what Jacob Bronowski termed, "The Ascent of Man".



Thanks for putting that image in the mind of the readers. :barf: Obviously, the elastic in your drawers was not too worn out and you managed to get the gun from point A to point B without incident.



Perhaps you would be better of phrasing that as "IT CAN WORK" because in the article in the original post it clearly didn't work.
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LOL< and thanks for that point out.

BUT as a man ,I was raised to NEVER wear 'elastic' pants.

BELTS hold up my skivvys and all,and I have also worn suspenders WITH a belt [ the belt just holds up the guns.

AND dare I bet ,that if 'Mexican carry" was such a dangerous thing,IMAGINE all the storys from days of yore ?.

Men back then did not wear 'elastic' either,so guess the "MC" never made the history books.

Along with so many actual historic mistakes and bad endings to so many.
 
murf said:
carry condition 3. problem solved.

murf
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After his accident in a saloon, young George Patton gave up on the 1911 altogether -

In 1915 Patton was assigned to border patrol duty with A Company of the 8th Cavalry, based in Sierra Blanca. During his time in this rough border town, Patton took to wearing his M1911 Colt .45 in his belt rather than a holster. This firearm discharged one night in a saloon, so he swapped it for an ivory-handled Colt Single Action Army revolver, a weapon that would later become an icon of Patton's image

http://research.omicsgroup.org/index.php/George_S._Patton
 
ofitg said:
After his accident in a saloon, young George Patton gave up on the 1911 altogether -

In 1915 Patton was assigned to border patrol duty with A Company of the 8th Cavalry, based in Sierra Blanca. During his time in this rough border town, Patton took to wearing his M1911 Colt .45 in his belt rather than a holster. This firearm discharged one night in a saloon, so he swapped it for an ivory-handled Colt Single Action Army revolver, a weapon that would later become an icon of Patton's image

http://research.omicsgroup.org/index.php/George_S._Patton
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AND no one ever said "it was not my fault,the gun JUST WENT OFF".

I reserve this story in the story bin,unless we have a letter from George himself that states it was a true ND caused by THE DREADED Mexican carry.

btw,I own too many holsters for too many [ if there is such a thing ] handguns.

Kydex,leather,

BUT there are times and places that the MC is just right.

in my NOT so humble opinion.

And do note that MANY.MANY Americans see the 1911 in condition 1 as a problem waiting to happen = REGARDLESS of your holster.
 
Anterior Mexican carry is obviously wrong and stupid.

You're supposed to do it posterior as many actors do in movies. Amateurs...
 
scaatylobo said:
AND no one ever said "it was not my fault,the gun JUST WENT OFF".

I reserve this story in the story bin,unless we have a letter from George himself that states it was a true ND caused by THE DREADED Mexican carry.

btw,I own too many holsters for too many [ if there is such a thing ] handguns.

Kydex,leather,

BUT there are times and places that the MC is just right.

in my NOT so humble opinion.

And do note that MANY.MANY Americans see the 1911 in condition 1 as a problem waiting to happen = REGARDLESS of your holster.
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I found a more elaborate version of the "Patton" story -

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/patton.719185/

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We're just second-guessing at something which happened 102 years ago, but I strongly suspect it was a "Condition 1" mishap......
 
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