Anyone see the new Sig 365?

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helitack32f1 said:
Well, I gave thinner smaller guns a look and just have not found one that justifies the trade-off of fire power and shoot ability for size. I bought an LCP to carry in shorts and t-shirt weather but gave up on it when I realized I could still easily conceal the G23 in that attire. That and the LCP sucked for my hands and I have felt the same with the G42 and 43, just too little to hold on to. I’m sure this Sig will fit the hand better than those mentioned but my lack of intelligence means that I intend on figuring out how to carry a G19X.

This Sig is a really nice looking gun and has the added bonus that it is a Sig. I just wish tiny guns came with tiny prices.
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I get your points, good for you in being able to carry a G19X, more firepower in good citizens is a good thing IMHO. But yes the price of the Sig 365 is a big hurdle when one just was able to buy a Shield for $225 after rebate. I've never owned a Sig, no doubt they're quality but $525 is a steep hurdle to get over in today's sub compact market.

I have an LCP, Walther PPS M2 and a CZ PCR, everything under the CZ PCR is a compromise on capacity, but life dictates what I can get away with sometimes. Maybe someday I'll get down to two carry pieces (the PCR and the LCP), I need to get more familiar with the CZ as I haven't had it for very long. Even though I'm in an open carry free state, I do my best to keep it concealed.
 
zaitcev said:
Okay, now I'm interested. I very much hate how long the grip is on P938 front-to-back and this one promises to be significantly shorter. I noticed that you have no problem carrying P938, and it works for many, but everyone's hands are different.
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I've thought the same thing about the P938, I wanted to like it but the front to back dimension of the grip seemed odd in my hand.
 
I want one but really there is no need for a sub compact or micro compact polymer striker fired pistol to have a msrp of $599. Maybe sig is trying to recover from some of the loss they had with the p320 upgrade fiasco and only making a minimum profit per pistol for the military contract. Or the price will fall down to the $400-450 range like the rest and eventually hit $350 with specials and rebates. I’m a bit optimistic here. Heck it they can knock off close to $100 for a non nightsights version sign me up.
 
Seems to be in the size realm of the G26, but if it has a single stack grip frame size, THAT would get my attention.
 
George P said:
Seems to be in the size realm of the G26, but if it has a single stack grip frame size, THAT would get my attention.
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The Sig is 15mm shorter, 3mm thinner, and 3mm taller. The biggest difference is that its 115 grams lighter!
 
jjones45 said:
I want one but really there is no need for a sub compact or micro compact polymer striker fired pistol to have a msrp of $599. Maybe sig is trying to recover from some of the loss they had with the p320 upgrade fiasco and only making a minimum profit per pistol for the military contract. Or the price will fall down to the $400-450 range like the rest and eventually hit $350 with specials and rebates. I’m a bit optimistic here. Heck it they can knock off close to $100 for a non nightsights version sign me up.
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Those other guns typically require another $100-125 to get night sights installed; the 365 comes with them from the factory.

Larry
 
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I get your points, good for you in being able to carry a G19X, more firepower in good citizens is a good thing IMHO. But yes the price of the Sig 365 is a big hurdle when one just was able to buy a Shield for $225 after rebate. I've never owned a Sig, no doubt they're quality but $525 is a steep hurdle to get over in today's sub compact market.

I have an LCP, Walther PPS M2 and a CZ PCR, everything under the CZ PCR is a compromise on capacity, but life dictates what I can get away with sometimes. Maybe someday I'll get down to two carry pieces (the PCR and the LCP), I need to get more familiar with the CZ as I haven't had it for very long. Even though I'm in an open carry free state, I do my best to keep it concealed.
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Well, not sure I will be able to carry the 19X but I intend to try! I played around with my G17 and it conceals well enough so we will see about the 19X.

Anyway, I've never heard of the CZ PCR until you mentioned it so I had to look it up. That is a nice looking gun! Gonna have to own a CZ one day.
 
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I have an LCP, Walther PPS M2 and a CZ PCR, everything under the CZ PCR is a compromise on capacity, but life dictates what I can get away with sometimes. Maybe someday I'll get down to two carry pieces (the PCR and the LCP), I need to get more familiar with the CZ as I haven't had it for very long. Even though I'm in an open carry free state, I do my best to keep it concealed.
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The PCR is the bees knees, great carry gun. Welcome to the addiction!
 
JeeperCreeper said:
Yeah... But is it drop safe??
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I'm sure you're being tongue in cheek:D

However, in all seriousness, I'm guessing there isn't a 320 variation leaving the SIG factory that can be chucked at the ground and go off.
Plus the upgraded trigger does improve the gun, imho;)
 
jjones45 said:
I want one but really there is no need for a sub compact or micro compact polymer striker fired pistol to have a msrp of $599.
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That is fair, and of course we all have our definition of what we will pay for a specific item to meet a specific need.

I paid north of $700 for my P938 about 3.5 years ago. It was expensive and was a bit of an ouch compared to some others I was looking at, but it was the gun I wanted and I was willing to pay for it.

Same thing here. For some, the price is fine, for others, not so much. For me, *if* it is the gun that I want over all others, I am willing to pony up the extra $100 to get the gun I want.

There is the old "jelly bean" sales analogy:

"A guy goes into a candy store and asks the clerk to give him a pound of jelly beans. The clerk starts pouring jelly beans on the scale, and then stops at .85 lbs, and starts to bag it up. The man balks and says there are not enough jelly beans on the scale to justify the price of 1 lb of jelly beans. So the clerk starts adding more and more jelly beans until the scale reaches 1.2 lbs. NOW, the man jumps at the chance to buy 1.2 lbs of jelly beans at the price of 1 lb."

The moral is that we all have our internal "number of jelly beans" before we will buy. In this case, maybe there are not enough jelly beans for you to justify the $599 for the P365, and that is fine.

As a salesman, I am always looking to see if I can add more jelly beans to the scale to get the customer to buy. It is the magic stick in sales. You need to make sure there are enough jelly beans to complete the deal.

Maybe there will be a sale coming up after the hype has died down where SIG will throw in an extra mag or two. Maybe then there will be enough jelly beans on the scale. Or maybe not. And that is fine...
 
Criticisms aside, I think this will be a great lady gun. My wife likes this gun so I think we will be getting one. The size and weight of this will make on-body carry easier for her, even though she'll likely carry in her purse or slingpack most of the time. Neither of us hold the 9mm in very high regard, but I'll be more comfortable with the compromise if it means she'll carry it on-body more often.
 
Doublehelix said:
That is fair, and of course we all have our definition of what we will pay for a specific item to meet a specific need.

I paid north of $700 for my P938 about 3.5 years ago. It was expensive and was a bit of an ouch compared to some others I was looking at, but it was the gun I wanted and I was willing to pay for it.

Same thing here. For some, the price is fine, for others, not so much. For me, *if* it is the gun that I want over all others, I am willing to pony up the extra $100 to get the gun I want.

There is the old "jelly bean" sales analogy:

"A guy goes into a candy store and asks the clerk to give him a pound of jelly beans. The clerk starts pouring jelly beans on the scale, and then stops at .85 lbs, and starts to bag it up. The man balks and says there are not enough jelly beans on the scale to justify the price of 1 lb of jelly beans. So the clerk starts adding more and more jelly beans until the scale reaches 1.2 lbs. NOW, the man jumps at the chance to buy 1.2 lbs of jelly beans at the price of 1 lb."

The moral is that we all have our internal "number of jelly beans" before we will buy. In this case, maybe there are not enough jelly beans for you to justify the $599 for the P365, and that is fine.

As a salesman, I am always looking to see if I can add more jelly beans to the scale to get the customer to buy. It is the magic stick in sales. You need to make sure there are enough jelly beans to complete the deal.

Maybe there will be a sale coming up after the hype has died down where SIG will throw in an extra mag or two. Maybe then there will be enough jelly beans on the scale. Or maybe not. And that is fine...
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I’ve paid plenty for handguns, more than $599 several times. There has been plenty of jelly beans on the scale to complete the deal in my mind even when it really wasn’t a few times. Jelly beans and scales aside, the sig p938 is an all metal hammer fired gun and similar models from other makers cost the same. Now I know the p365 will definitely hit the mid to low $400’s sooner or later, especially since I’m already seeing them for order at $529 online as a brand new pistol. The thing about striker fired polymer guns that is supposed to be true is that they are cheaper and easier to manufacture. That’s why shields, pps’s, lc9’s, xds’s, and Kahr’s are all available for under $400 if you shop around. Glock 43’s are still $450+ and Hk doesn’t offer a single stack as of yet but I’m sure it will be a tad higher than glock if they ever do release one. I just don’t think it’s unreasonable to be able to offer a 18 oz polymer single stack striker fired pistol with a msrp of less than $500, especially considering many do so
 
Size looks very good, mags expensive, no need for a rail on a micro pistol, especially a Sig Proprietary one... that's absurd, price is expensive. I would consider one w/o rail and will wait for all the bugs to get worked out, and price to come down.
 
DT Guy said:
Those other guns typically require another $100-125 to get night sights installed; the 365 comes with them from the factory.

Larry
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I’m probably in the minority here but i could really care less for the night sights. If sig could knock off another $80-$125 for standard 3 dots I’d much prefer that. The only night sights I really like any more are the truglo tfx pro’s. Those stand out day and night. I have sig night sights on my p320c and they aren’t worth the premium over standard 3 dots in real world shooting in my experience. I’ve done some low light shooting and the night sights didn’t improve my performance by a noticeable margin over the standard 3 dots. That’s just me.
 
As someone who has a Kahr P9 now, the price doesn't concern me as much. I never warmed up to the Kahr and although I occasionally carry it, I don't really like it. I think this could be the one I was waiting for, especially since I'm fond of SIG in general and have several bigger ones.
 
Another striker with no safety = no thanks
The only way I'm carrying that is in a holster on my hip. I don't need a "micro" sized pistol to do that

Had they made it with a manual safety or a really good DA type trigger I might think about it with those specs. Had they made it DA/SA, I would buy buy one without hesitation.
 
js8588 said:
No manual safety on a gun people are likely to pocket carry that has a "clean, crisp" trigger.

Yep. Sounds real safe. I'll never understand the opposition to manual safeties.

"But pocket holster!"
Congratulations, you've just added bulk to a pocket gun and made it take up roughly the same space as my Px4 Subcompact (which I do pocket carry safety on, hammer down).

"Taking off the safety wastes valuable time in a self defense scenario!"

So does unholstering your pistol. Surely some of you gents know what I'm talking about
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I hope I'm misreading this, but are you advocating pocket carry sans holster?
 
Bigmike79 said:
Another striker with no safety = no thanks
The only way I'm carrying that is in a holster on my hip. I don't need a "micro" sized pistol to do that

Had they made it with a manual safety or a really good DA type trigger I might think about it with those specs. Had they made it DA/SA, I would buy buy one without hesitation.
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Regardless of IWB, OWB or pocket carry I've often removed my pistol at the end of the day with the safety moved from "on" to "off" (ALL my carry holsters are reputable, quality units). I never rely completely on that safety as a wall between me and a ND, so the lack of a safety isn't a deal breaker for me. Different strokes...
 
TarDevil said:
Regardless of IWB, OWB or pocket carry I've often removed my pistol at the end of the day with the safety moved from "on" to "off" (ALL my carry holsters are reputable, quality units). I never rely completely on that safety as a wall between me and a ND, so the lack of a safety isn't a deal breaker for me. Different strokes...
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Yeah, I don't believe you.That's a made up story. Maybe once in a lifetime, but to say it happens to you often is either a tall tale, or you don't know how to put a gun in a holster correctly. It's one or the other.

Also, nobody relies on a manual safety to prevent a gun accident anymore than one would rely on a blade guard to prevent a wood-shop accident. It's just an extra safety feature that decreases the likelihood of an accident. People make mistakes all the time. It's harder to screw up twice than it is to screw up once. That is why I like a manual safety. I like a DA trigger because it makes screwing up once a lot more difficult. Like you said, different strokes.
 
Bigmike79 said:
Yeah, I don't believe you.That's a made up story. Maybe once in a lifetime, but to say it happens to you often is either a tall tale, or you don't know how to put a gun in a holster correctly. It's one or the other.

Also, nobody relies on a manual safety to prevent a gun accident anymore than one would rely on a blade guard to prevent a wood-shop accident. It's just an extra safety feature that decreases the likelihood of an accident. People make mistakes all the time. It's harder to screw up twice than it is to screw up once. That is why I like a manual safety. I like a DA trigger because it makes screwing up once a lot more difficult. Like you said, different strokes.
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I was talking to gun clerk a couple of years ago and we were talking about what we carry and all and he said he carries a colt commander. I told him I use to carry commanders as well but too many times (like 3 or 4 over several years) I found the safety off my 1911 off at the end of the day. He said he never had that problem then looked at his gun and the safety was off. We both got a good laugh out of that one and it couldn’t have been timed any better. I said “Exactly”. No big deal really because the trigger will still not be pressed while holstered but it’s a weird feeling when you expect it to be on. He had a quality leather holster and I always carried my 1911’s in several quality holsters because I felt that’s how you carry a 1911. I’m kind of scratching my head here also about the regardless of carry style the safety would often be off comment but I’m not quick to discredit someone else or judge them either. I think I’d find a gun and carry style that didn’t present this problem if I were him. I’m not a big fan of a manual safety on self defense carry guns anymore but if it’s there I damn sure want it doing what it’s supposed to be doing, whether that’s on and staying on or off and staying off until I manuallly manipulate it.
 
jjones45 said:
I’m probably in the minority here but i could really care less for the night sights. If sig could knock off another $80-$125 for standard 3 dots I’d much prefer that. The only night sights I really like any more are the truglo tfx pro’s. Those stand out day and night. I have sig night sights on my p320c and they aren’t worth the premium over standard 3 dots in real world shooting in my experience. I’ve done some low light shooting and the night sights didn’t improve my performance by a noticeable margin over the standard 3 dots. That’s just me.
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Agree. I would honestly prefer to see plain, steel, flat black, square-notch sights on every gun. Cheaper but usable. The first thing I do on all my guns is replace the sights. Lots of companies offer factory night sights, but I hate all of them- lots of three-green-dot tritium sights, lots of luminescent paint sights. I don't want to pay a premium for sights that I'm not going to use that add cost to the gun but are of low enough quality and common enough that they can't be resold.
 
jjones45 said:
I was talking to gun clerk a couple of years ago and we were talking about what we carry and all and he said he carries a colt commander. I told him I use to carry commanders as well but too many times (like 3 or 4 over several years) I found the safety off my 1911 off at the end of the day. He said he never had that problem then looked at his gun and the safety was off. We both got a good laugh out of that one and it couldn’t have been timed any better. I said “Exactly”. No big deal really because the trigger will still not be pressed while holstered but it’s a weird feeling when you expect it to be on. He had a quality leather holster and I always carried my 1911’s in several quality holsters because I felt that’s how you carry a 1911. I’m kind of scratching my head here also about the regardless of carry style the safety would often be off comment but I’m not quick to discredit someone else or judge them either. I think I’d find a gun and carry style that didn’t present this problem if I were him. I’m not a big fan of a manual safety on self defense carry guns anymore but if it’s there I damn sure want it doing what it’s supposed to be doing, whether that’s on and staying on or off and staying off until I manuallly manipulate it.
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