Pistol caliber carbine poll / semi-autos only

I'm most tempted by the Mech Tech carbine uppers which I don't see in the poll. For anyone who has the appropriate pistol and mags, it seems like a good option.

I made some changes on my ASR 10 mm Auto carbine since my last post. I replaced the heavy scope with a lighter 3x30 Monstrum Tactical Scope and 45 degree offset backup flip sights to replace the Magpuls which required the optic to be removed before use. These can be used with the optic mounted. The scope is mounted with a QD lever mount. This makes for a lighter and trimmer package.




Here the flip sights are up. Just cant the carbine 45 degrees and they line up. Handy for close encounters and if battery goes south.



Here the carbine is broken down for transport, the flip sights are down.


Haven’t had the opportunity to sight everything in yet, too cold and rainy. Got to zero both scope and irons.

chicharrones said:

That's a nice set up, Crowman.

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Thank you. This has been a quest.

I wanted a 10 mm carbine and after looking over the internet, this one covered my bases without requiring me to sacrifice half a pistol to get from “A” to “B”. It was a good shooter the way I had originally set it up.

Unfortunately, it’s been real sucky weather here so haven’t been able to try out the new optic or flip sights.

I switched over to a CZ Scorpion because my AR 9 wouldn't feed hollowpoints reliably. So far I haven't had any issues with hollowpoints in my Scorpion!

I'm intrigued. More I've thought about this a Ruger PC carbine is on the top of my list.

I found a pretty interesting article about 9mm ammo for a carbine:
http://www.alloutdoor.com/2015/07/08/optimizing-ammunition-9mm-carbines/

My take away (please correct me if I am wrong)
1. A carbine benefits more from +P ammo than a handgun and also deals with the increased recoil better so that is desirable.
2. While lighter bullets gain more velocity, if they are hollow points they may over expand or break apart too early so with hollow points you want heavier grain.
3. I'm probably wrong worrying too much about increasing performance with ammo, because the carbine is about increased "shootabilty" over ammo performance.



Also, Underwood has some interesting stuff, I wonder how their Xtreme bullets would do in a carbine?

For velocity:
65 grain +P Xtreme defender.
For defense:
90 grain +P Xtreme Defender
For penetration:
9mm Luger +P+ 115 Grain Xtreme Penetrator

I already built an ar other type. Always wanted an HK95 and MPX. Below is my sbr in 9mm. I'm also working on an m1 carbine in 5.7x28 for fun.

Chich,

That Sterling does look nicer than the old carbines with the SMG length guard and pencil barrel sticking out. I sort of like Sterling Pattchetts as SMGs except for the fact that as much as I like shooting them, carrying them is a PITA because you have a magazine sticking out in one direction and a pistol grip 90 degrees out.....plus the safety fins at the chamber and near the muzzle on the SMGs ( got to wonder how many British troopers shot their support hand or got it burned at the breech with the STEN to cause those things to show up on the replacement) opposite the magazine. I like the stock but it can eat you up opening or closing it under duress. It is hungrier than a original style Uzi stock for fingers and skin!

If I just had to have a 16.1 inch barreled semi auto Sterling though that exteneded jacket looks much neater.

-kBob

I think if your really concerned about performance and +P ammo out of your 9mm carbine, then you really need something other than a 9mm carbine. Think of them as a really big 22 and thats all they will ever be. A case that only fits 5 grains of powder is never going to be powerful. I think if you really want more power than that look at a 45 or a 10mm.

someguy2800 you are completely right. Main thing that is interests me in these guns is that they seem lightweight and fun to practice with, and also very much that 9mm ammunition is affordable. I just think it might be a good idea two keep a box or 2 of the best choice of defensive ammunition around, just in case.

This thread reminded me of those Feather Carbine kits for your pistol lower. Just when Glock started to get popular in the US. I wonder if there are any of those floating around? I have some 1911 80% lowers i could outfit for that purpose. Hmmmm...

Kaybee said:

I wonder how their Xtreme bullets would do in a carbine?

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There is limited benefits for driving these solid bullets at higher velocities as far as terminal ballistics go because in short order they're coming out the back of the assailant. All the twisting and rotary propeller action doesn't have an effect when they're just spinning in the air behind the attacker.

Kaybee said:

I'm probably wrong worrying too much about increasing performance with ammo, because the carbine is about increased "shootabilty" over ammo performance.

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I'd really like to see what the carbine does with heavy for caliber bullets loaded to +P+ pressures, especially the 150gr Federal HST.

Different bullet designs obviously act differently. Here is an interesting test of the 147gr Gold Dot loaded loaded by Underwood:

The Ruger is now at CDNN, I wonder why.

CraigC said:

The Ruger is now at CDNN, I wonder why.

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Probably because CDNN thinks that they can make money selling them.

Crowman said:

Here the flip sights are up. Just cant the carbine 45 degrees and they line up. Handy for close encounters and if battery goes south.

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I have 45 degree offset sights on my Ruger MPR and my PSA 9mm AR. Like the option of switching back and forth at the range for fun, or if needed to be for defense.

Sistema1927 said:

Probably because CDNN thinks that they can make money selling them.

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CDNN only buys guns that are discontinued from other distributors.

CraigC said:

CDNN only buys guns that are discontinued from other distributors.

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Well, if that is correct then Ruger is discontinuing 122 different types of guns, including the new Precision Rifle, Mk IV, and 10/22 in addition to the PCC.

My guess is that CDNN buys guns at the lowest price possible from whatever source, and then sells them to make a profit, but what do I know.

That's just it, you're "guessing" and apparently aren't familiar with CDNN's history. They're the Overstock.com of the gun world.

CraigC said:

That's just it, you're "guessing" and apparently aren't familiar with CDNN's history. They're the Overstock.com of the gun world.

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I think your guessing. I was at my gunshop yesterday and asked if they have had any through and they said they order 10, get 2, and sell them in an hour.

No genius, I'm not "guessing". Did I say that Ruger was discontinuing the PC? No, I did not. I said they buy guns that have been discontinued BY OTHER DISTRIBUTORS. I said that CDNN has them now. That is 'usually' an indication that a particular model is either not selling well or is going to be superseded with a newer model. Just like they did with the 1st generation Precision Rifle, the LCP and countless others. So if I were to GUESS, it would be that Ruger is about to announce an updated version.

CDNN is a clearing house, this is not a revelation.

It seems that the price on the Ruger PC Carbine is creeping up. At one time they could be had for $499.99 shipped, but now I can't find them cheaper than $549.99

I hope the price comes back down.