Has the Glock 19 been surpassed?

The 17 surpassed it before it ever showed up, and its showing up, didnt change that.

I prefer the G17 frame over the G19, especially the Gen 3 G19 with the finger grooves. I hated mine right after the first shots and rather than mod the grip I sold it.

Until parts availability and after market support catches up... no.

I think PSA's glock clone has a shot, though.

We are still talking about it and asking the question so...simply no, not totally.

stchman said:

... discussion to the OOBE.

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Lingo?

Folks have lived in the "Glock Era" for so long, some Glock stuff has become magic, such as the 5" height of the G19 as the max height of a concealment gun and anything taller is too big to conceal. In addition, 15 rounds of 9mm in that size is the magic number, and for instance the HK P2000, which is similar in size, but only carries a mere 13 rounds of 9mm is woefully below capacity.

The Glock G19 is still a fine pistol. It has a bunch of accessories available, it is easy to work on, is reasonable in size/weight, reasonably accurate and durable. An awful lot to like about the gun. However, if you don't like something about the G19, there are bunches of other guns available that may fit somebody's needs better than a G19.

I’ll answer your original question like this...when the G19 came out, there were not a lot of other guns like it with regards to weight, capacity, simplicity, economy, interchangeable parts and mags, etc.

Some had some characteristics, but few had all.

Fast forward to today...XD, M&P, VP, PPQ, P320, P10, 509, APX, etc. LOTS of great options if you are looking for a 9MM, and most offer other calibers as well.

So has the G19 been surpassed? In some ways, I suppose. It certainly has much more competition! But has it become irrelevant? Not hardly!

And for folks like me who have more than a few “G-Blocks”, spare mags, holsters, and spare parts, with no real reason to switch, I’m still good with Gastons “tupper-wonder”, and evening bought a G44 and G43X last week to add to the confusion!

I find it significant'y eclipsed by S&W and S.A. poly-guns. Particularly the S&Ws. It's like someone at S&W made grips only for me and then too, I can get the manual safety on some models.

So, being able to buy an ergonomically superior (for me, of course) pistol and then having alternative safety options and some being internal hammer rather than striker-only leaves Glock far in the dust for a poly-carry mid-to-full sized 9.

All that being said, in its market, the Glock 19 is still, and is likely long to remain, the measuring stick.

Todd.

stchman said:

OOBE - Out Of Box Experience

What you get when you buy the thing, not after modding it up.

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Oh, OK. So NOT the *oobe-doobe-do" factor? Got it!

Todd.

stchman said:

OOBE - Out Of Box Experience

What you get when you buy the thing, not after modding it up.

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Thanks for the clarification. I would have understood Out of Box Experience, but I never would have figured out OOBE without help.

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Yep, the G19 has been surpassed.

But caliber war aside, I don't think the G19 has been surpassed as a simple, reliable, rugged and compact polymer framed pistol.

It's just no longer the only one in its class.

I will start by saying outright that I am a Glock Kool Aid drinker.

With that out of the way, people have been saying that every striker to come out, from the Springfield XD to the P10C to the VP9, was going to be the "Glock Killer." The fact that you still compare every single polymer striker fired to the Glock, and the fact that Glock still sells as many of their pistols as they can make, should tell you everything you need to know. Glock has a reputation now that is hard to beat. For out of the box reliability, for its ability to take abuse, the Glock has been proven in ways that few other pistols have.

There are other pistols out there that offer advantages over the Glock is some way or another. Ergonomics is a big one. But big picture, none of these pistols can really replace the Glock or claim to do everything it does.

For one, Glock's lineup is much more complete than anyone else's. They offer more calibers, frame sizes, and slide lengths than anyone else on the market, and have done a good job of keeping them pretty modular. If you're just looking for a 9mm, a lot of manufactures offer that. If you are looking for a high capacity 10mm Auto, there are a lot fewer choices, and none as proven as the Glock.

Another thing that gets overlooked is the Glock's simplicity. Maybe for some, the ability to tinker or to fix one's pistol themselves isn't a big deal. But some of us do appreciate the Glock's ability to be detail stripped in a couple minutes with nothing more than a pin punch. The Glock is incredibly simple, and this allows the user to replace broken or worn parts, or to take advantage of an aftermarket that simply doesn't exist for most of its competitors. Within the scope of this thread, limited to OEM, this means only that the user can get on one of a dozen different sites and have parts shipped to their door to be installed by themselves in minutes. Set your Glock down over the top of a roll of duct tape with a simple punch, remove some pins, and everything comes out. It is like Legos. Unless your frame breaks, there is nothing on the Glock you can't fix or replace yourself. That is a trait pretty well unique to the Glock. Outside the realm of OEM, the Glock can be tinkered with on a level most of its competitors can't even dream about. From competition to hunting to home defense, the user has options with Glock because of its simplicity and aftermarket that no other pistol has.

There are plenty of good options on the market, but Glock can be secure in the knowledge that they still offers options and capabilities that will make them the polymer striker fire that all others are compared to and keep them at the forefront of this market for years to come. So no, I don't think the Glock is going to be surpassed very soon.

I think the Glock 19 is a great pistol, but I like the 2.0 Compact a little better in that size range. Subjectively better ergonomics, trigger and looks, and just as reliable and better sights...for less money. Glock has a better aftermarket still but M&P's aren't exactly lacking in that area.

MTMilitiaman said:

For one, Glock's lineup is much more complete than anyone else's. They offer more calibers, frame sizes, and slide lengths than anyone else on the market,

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Looked at the 2020 SIG catalog yet?

As for the OP's question, I'd answer with an emphatic "yes." There are a least six different manufacturers now (SIG, S&W, HK, Walther, Beretta, FN) putting out polymer framed pistols with ergonomics superior to Glocks, far better factory sights, more interchangeable grip size options, and better triggers (without "the dingus").

And I haven't even looked at other pistols like Canik and a couple of the other newcomers that are getting reports that they're worthy competitors to Glock ... and I didn't mention CZ, only because I've not tried its plastic guns 'cause the very idea of CZ making a plastic gun makes me somewhat nauseated (as a big fan of the classic 75 series).

The only thing likely to unseat my G19 from my carry rotation would be a G48 with a rail, a red dot, and a thoroughly tested set of 15-round S15 magazines.

psyopspec said:

The only thing likely to unseat my G19 from my carry rotation would be a G48 with a rail, a red dot, and a thoroughly tested set of 15-round S15 magazines.

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Jump on in the water's fine, haven't had any issues with my 4 Shield Arms magazines yet, changed out the mag release and good to go. Can't wait for someone to put out an aftermarket milled slide for the G48.

"Surpassed" in what sense? How do you "surpass" something whose strength is being OK at a lot of stuff and great at nothing? There's nothing a G19 does that some other pistol doesn't do better... it's just a pretty good compromise gun.

Old Dog said:

Looked at the 2020 SIG catalog yet?

As for the OP's question, I'd answer with an emphatic "yes." There are a least six different manufacturers now (SIG, S&W, HK, Walther, Beretta, FN) putting out polymer framed pistols with ergonomics superior to Glocks, far better factory sights, more interchangeable grip size options, and better triggers (without "the dingus").

And I haven't even looked at other pistols like Canik and a couple of the other newcomers that are getting reports that they're worthy competitors to Glock ... and I didn't mention CZ, only because I've not tried its plastic guns 'cause the very idea of CZ making a plastic gun makes me somewhat nauseated (as a big fan of the classic 75 series).

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Yeah, I have. Plenty of 9mms. Not much else. Glock offers sub-compacts and compacts in single and double stack versions, duty size and long slide double stacks, full size grips on compact slides, and far more caliber options.

It's a 40 year old design.
How could it not have been surpassed by better designs?

Glock's greatest innovation was intensive marketing.

There's no answer to this, only opinions and preferences. What has happened is that we have quite a few options in regards to polymer, doublestack 9mm's. I have a Gen 5 19, but prefer my M&P 2.0's and 48. It's not that they are better or worse than the 19, only that they work better for me. As with any product, the marketplace will let us know if it's time has come, which has not yet happenend.

Interested in the opinions of those who have fired, tested, competed with the Glock 19 as compared to a specific comparison gun. Otherwise, we descend into the grip angle, it's ugly, etc. For example, I fired about 200 rounds through a comparable size Sig 320, I liked it but saw no discernible advantage that would make me buy one, given I have the 19.

If something works better for you - how? Grip, ergonomics, ease of maintenance, what?