Has the Glock 19 been surpassed?

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It all depends on the hands holding the grip.
I bought a G19 gen 3 back in 2011. I bought it because it just felt right. The finger grooves felt like they were molded from my hands.
I still have the gun and will probably never part with it.
As much as I like the way the 19 feels, I actually do prefer the full size Glocks a bit more.
My current EDC is a G20 and while lots of folks say it is like holding a brick, I find it to be a comfortable brick.

The thing about handguns, is that everyones hands are different, so one gun does not fit all.
 
IMO, and it's purely O, there's no more versatile pistol than the compact class if pistol, and the G19 seemed (to me) to be the flagship of that class. If you just look at the numbers on weight, capacity, width, price (esp. if you get Blue Label), etc., the G19 fares very well.

With that said, I bought my Gen 4 in 2013 if memory serves. She's right at about 2K rounds. I've had 1 spring break, but she's run pretty well otherwise. I carried her for about 4 years, and then bought a Shield 9mm. That little sucker promptly sent my G19 to the safe. I don't have as many rounds through the Shield, but thus far she's been every bit as good as my Glock. Aftermarket support for Glocks is unsurpassed. If someone makes a widget, they make a widget for a Glock first. However, I've been nosing around and there's an awful lot of support for M&Ps, too. All of that has me wondering if I want to sell my Glock and get a mid- or full-sized M&P.

Final analysis: I don't know that the G19 has been surpassed, but it has a whole lot more competition than it used to.
 
JTQ said:
Thanks for the clarification. I would have understood Out of Box Experience, but I never would have figured out OOBE without help.
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At first I thought the post was about an OBOE but it was mistyped :confused:.

The G-19 is a very, very good gun, as are many of the other polymer framed mid-sized ones from many others makers.

As was earlier posted about the S&W pistols; find what best fits your hand, your purpose and your pocketbook and have at it. There are so many great offerings you really can’t go wrong. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
G48. Everything a G19 is but more comfortable (available with aftermarket flush fit 15 round mags).
 

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I took a training course with Larry Vickers and Ken Hackathorn and during the break we talked about guns of course. Both of them without hesitation stated it is a Glock world. They train people from all over the world. They travel the world and talk guns with people and teach people how to teach people to shoot pistols. They said outside the US the guns you see the most are Glock 17s and Glock 19s. The majority of the world does not have concealed carry like the US. If you are going to have a gun and carry a gun it is a service sized pistol. Glocks are everywhere. You will find places with other side arms of choice but they stated over and over again that Glocks are the dominate handgun in the world today. The 17 and the 19 are still the gold standard for the polymer wonder 9. I am not a Glock fan but when people like LAV and KH tell me something I tend to listen.
 
This is silly.

The G19 FS Gen 5 (The catalog shows that as the base Gen 5 now) maybe perfect for you or It may not.

If I shoot one platform better than another why would I waste ammo and time trying to make up the deficit.

There are now viable options for a similar manual of arms. That doesn't make one better or worse.
 
94045 said:
This is silly.

The G19 FS Gen 5 (The catalog shows that as the base Gen 5 now) maybe perfect for you or It may not.

If I shoot one platform better than another why would I waste ammo and time trying to make up the deficit.

There are now viable options for a similar manual of arms. That doesn't make one better or worse.
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The question is not which one do you shoot better. It is asking is it the dominate gun platform in the market. On an individual basis I shoot BHP and 1911s better than anything else but that does not make it the best universal platform. At this point I would argue the Glock 17/19 platform is the best universal platform.
 
WVsig said:
The question is not which one do you shoot better. It is asking is it the dominate gun platform in the market. On an individual basis I shoot BHP and 1911s better than anything else but that does not make it the best universal platform. At this point I would argue the Glock 17/19 platform is the best universal platform.
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It's the dominant platform. So was the Nissan Rogue (last I looked) but I would argue that for me better SUVs exist.

Just to be clear I'm not arguing that the G19 isn't great. Just BEST is an.assumption. Some.would argue that it's reliability is what makes it best and yet it has been beaten during military trials in mean time between failures.
 
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It's the dominant platform. So was the Nissan Rogue (last I looked) but I would argue that for me better SUVs exist.
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Which is why I carry this... which weights the same. It is a custom Alloy BHP done by Don Williams of The Action Works but if I had to deploy pistols to 200,0000 troops or 50,000 LEO it would not be my first choice. The Glock is the dominate platform because it gets the job done for the majority of people well enough at the right price point. One could argue the Rogue does the same. You can pay more but do you need more to pick up the kid from soccer practice.

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I also believe that the Glock 19 is still the gold standard for a 15 round concealable poly frame compact pistol. My Gen 2 Glock 19 that I bought new is still my main CCW and nothing else has tempted me to stray from it other than a Gen 5 Glcok 19. However the main reasons include the number of big wins Glock has recently had such as with the FBI that rigorously the Glock 19 among other pistols and proclaimed the Glock 19 the most reliable pistol it ever tested. Other wins with the military Special Forces units, Border Patrol, and Secret Service reinforce Glock as "the one" IMO. Glock also continues to sell their pistols very well at their premium prices while most every other manufacturer has had to discount their prices considerably to stay competitive . This does not mean that the other manufacturers do not make very fine pistols or the Glock 19 might not be the best choice for an individual ( I also own Walther PPQ and HK VP9) but Glock is the only one to consistently command a premium price and have no problem selling for good reasons.
 
Glock is to striker fired polymer handguns as to Kleenex is to tissues.

Just as there are other tissues that are softer or lower in price most of the time we ask for a kleenex meaning we just want a tissue.

Glock was a ground breaking design in it’s time and came to dominate the market especially through law enforcement sales while other manufacturers struggled to design and bring their own guns to market. So with the Glock being the beta design it gave competitors the opportunity to learn and refine their models. Of course now we have a number of striker fired polymer pistols that all claim advantages and improvements over the Glock.

The Lady and I did a lot of handling of different semi-autos handguns including Glocks. This handgun was for my wife and she selected S&W M&P as the one she liked best. While I am not much of a fan of this type of pistol I have come to believe that the S&W is superior to the Glock.
 
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Glock is the Toyota pickup of the handgun world. And yes I drive a Toyota as well.
 
Glock 19s haven't been surpassed so much as they've become the template. Are there pistols out there that can beat the pants off Glock's spongy trigger and 2x4 grip - absolutely. But if you look at all the new service-style pistols coming out, they're all polymer guns, they're all strikers, they all have ~4" barrels, they're all about 5" tall, and they all hold around 15 shots of 9mm. IOW, they're just re-jiggered Glock 19s. And when they hit the market, you all know what the first pistol they're compared to is.

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G48. Everything a G19 is but more comfortable (available with aftermarket flush fit 15 round mags).
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Now I don't like Glocks, but I've REALLY been wanting to try one with the thinner grip and see if it fits me better. A range near me has cheap pistol rentals, I just never go there. Need to make time and do that some day.
 
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The glock 19 was surpassed years ago in terms of design by the Steyr M9 and S9 series. Other manufacturers and designs have since also eclipsed the g19.
 
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I also believe that the Glock 19 is still the gold standard for a 15 round concealable poly frame compact pistol. My Gen 2 Glock 19 that I bought new is still my main CCW and nothing else has tempted me to stray from it other than a Gen 5 Glcok 19. However the main reasons include the number of big wins Glock has recently had such as with the FBI that rigorously the Glock 19 among other pistols and proclaimed the Glock 19 the most reliable pistol it ever tested. Other wins with the military Special Forces units, Border Patrol, and Secret Service reinforce Glock as "the one" IMO. Glock also continues to sell their pistols very well at their premium prices while most every other manufacturer has had to discount their prices considerably to stay competitive . This does not mean that the other manufacturers do not make very fine pistols or the Glock 19 might not be the best choice for an individual ( I also own Walther PPQ and HK VP9) but Glock is the only one to consistently command a premium price and have no problem selling for good reasons.
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If you think those pistols were not discounted to get those contracts I've got a bridge to sell you.
 
94045 said:
The #4 most popular platform?
Doesn't sound right to me.
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Reliable, durable, longevity, best value, not high maintenance, high used resale value. I can go on if you wish to see more parallels, but I don’t think it will matter...:thumbup:

Don’t worry I’m just a guy on the internet with an opinion, everyone’s got one, it’s what makes the forum world go round and round.
 
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A G19 is what I carry and I also admit to it being a cheap gun that works. It is a few steps above a HiPoint, but a similar ethic in manufacture is there. A high point is even cheaper since not even the slide is steel for them. A glock uses the cheapest material technology that is adequate and the most economical manufacturing process along with sufficient Q/C to make a most reliable pistol that will pass military and police requirements. Yes there are better made and better shootable pistols.
But there are few pistols around where I can get any part, even an 80% receiver for. The mags of all sorts are out there. Slides to mount RMRs and custom barrels are out there.
Biggest fault of a glock for me is the trigger, but yet that same trigger allows me if I am careful when reholstering to get by without a mechanical safety. The second fault is that on your own they are hard to accurize.
 
I really love the Beretta APX. For me, it's a better pistol than the G19. I'd grab my APX over and flavor of Glock double stacks. It surpasses the G19 IMHO.
 
The G19 is never a bad choice and for me I much prefer it over the G17. For a long time there were no real competition. I still don't see anything BETTER than the G19, but there are several options now that are as good and people who don't like Glocks now have options.
 
I've got 3-19's. A GEN3, GEN4, and GEN5. One upstairs one downstairs, both with acc. rail lights, and one spare/carry. They all work at least as well as any of the competition and take the SAME MAGAZINES.
 
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