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Offhand McFlan said:
the extreme right also presents obsessive PRO gun media
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In my view, the more "PRO gun media", the better. I'm not sure what you mean by "the extreme right" (too conservative?) but, especially in these times, a too obsessive pro-gun media in defense of the Second Amendment is hard to imagine. In the words of the first Presidential candidate I ever voted for (via absentee ballot because I was serving in the military at the time) in 1964, " Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice..."
 
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Although many may not think so the gun lobby is a very formidable force. It's not just a Facebook sub forum. And the gun organizations (NRA) are battle hardened. The NRA started their gun battle during the 1968 gun laws. Had the NRA not been there things could have turned out a lot worse. We have beat the politicians soundly over the years.

We can beat them again. Doing absolutely nothing right not is certainly not an option.
 
Here comes an unpopular opinion. I've spent the money on guns. I've spent the money on ammo. I've spent the money on provisions. Every day I get emails on how much money I need to donate to X. I've written my elected officials, let them know where I stand... How broke do I need to get, how many email chains do be a part of, what list to I need to be on to make a difference? I'm sick of being told to donate to X, and everything will be ok. Ive been a strong R supporter, sent them my money, they still have fancy suits, our laws are still in peril. Spend your money stocking your position. Nobody wearing a suit gives a hoot what you think.
 
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Yo Mama said:
I forgot about the JFPO, and I am Jewish! I'll think about adding them next!
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FYI, I started a 2-year membership with them earlier today! Maseltov! ;)

However...I'm a little disappointed to find that they dont do much official political lobbying, they just put out alot of noble protests and powerful rhetoric. But they do seek to educate with concrete facts rather than strut and impress. At times it seems the NRA uses communication styles which target the already steadfast pro-2A person rather than the person who has doubts or is on the fence. What sense does it have to try to sell certain ideas to those who already have them and need no further convincing? In this respect, I feel the NRA kind of takes advantage of its members a bit. They reinforce more than they break new ground, IMO.
 
Let's not split up. Better only a couple of powerful gun organizations than dozens of small splinter groups.

Or you can splint up and we can do the assault with groups of a dozen members each. That will do little.
 
frogfurr said:
Let's not split up. Better only a couple of powerful gun organizations than dozens of small splinter groups.

Or you can splint up and we can do the assault with groups of a dozen members each. That will do little.
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They each have a purpose, and do the work it takes. As mentioned, you have many layers with national, state, and local. It's good to have some choices, there are not unlimited groups, really not enough imo.
 
James Fonteneaux said:
Here comes an unpopular opinion. I've spent the money on guns. I've spent the money on ammo. I've spent the money on provisions. Every day I get emails on how much money I need to donate to X. I've written my elected officials, let them know where I stand... How broke do I need to get, how many email chains do be a part of, what list to I need to be on to make a difference? I'm sick of being told to donate to X, and everything will be ok. Ive been a strong R supporter, sent them my money, they still have fancy suits, our laws are still in peril. Spend your money stocking your position. Nobody wearing a suit gives a hoot what you think.
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That's a fair opinion my friend. However, I'm optimistic that we win the battle of ideas, and that takes everything we got. Lawyers, lobbyists, advocates, education, infrastructure, it all takes money. I don't fault you as money is tight. Maybe find a way to volunteer instead in a way that suits you.
 
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SwampWolf said:
In my view, the more "PRO gun media", the better. I'm not sure what you mean by "the extreme right" (too conservative?) but, especially in these times, a too obsessive pro-gun media in defense of the Second Amendment is hard to imagine. In the words of the first Presidential candidate I ever voted for (via absentee ballot because I was serving in the military at the time) in 1964, " Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice..."
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I mean people who like to be seen making angry or very serious and proud poses with guns, thus only convincing people they are dangerous. For instance, I like to share photos of my guns...but not of myself looking dangerous and malicious with them. I carry every day, usually concealed but I'm not resigned to just that. I'm not looking to show off. Yet if someone sees my piece printing or peeking, well...I've already rehearsed how I'll handle that and if a person wants to be confrontive I'll just briefly state why I carry, cite my rights and walk peacefully away. I think there's too many people out there who want to be seen. They're pretty much always posing, always looking to stir things up. People on the left can be like that and so can people on the right. And then there are all the dramatic YouTube videos geared to stun and impress. They are NOT likely to foster a positive response from skeptics...while enthusiasts will be creaming their Jean's. If negative people feel they are being in some way targeted by that kind of exhibitionism, you are more likely to incur resistance and skepticism than if you just try to be discrete but calmly and respectfully deal with it if accidentally noticed. There is simply too much posing and vanity associated with gun culture. Guns are supposed to be utilitarian, right? Dont get me wrong! I love guns and I have my favorite movie scenes too... But I think if we really want to recruit unlikely people to slowly lower their apprehensions and join our ranks as "gun-friendlies", folks who like to strut need to stop strutting so much...at least beyond the walls of our homes and clubs. Otherwise for every person you convert you'll also invite plenty of overt opoosition....and we dont need that. We need to promote utilitarianism first and let people develop their own gun-egos without us trying to superimpose and cultivate it with drama.
 
frogfurr said:
Although many may not think so the gun lobby is a very formidable force. It's not just a Facebook sub forum. And the gun organizations (NRA) are battle hardened. The NRA started their gun battle during the 1968 gun laws. Had the NRA not been there things could have turned out a lot worse. We have beat the politicians soundly over the years. We can beat them again. Doing absolutely nothing right not is certainly not an option.
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Actually, NRA was fighting anti-gun legislation when I first joined in 1952, the anti's were just not as prolific as they are today.

hso said:
It is pure selfish cowardice to do nothing at this time. Pick any pro2A organization to support and support them and stop making excuses.
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^^^^This! As has been stated throughout this thread, there are a number of groups in our corner. Our job is to try to pick the one(s) we think who get the best results.

Hate to keep bringing up numbers, but numbers do count!
hps1 said:
They all do good work, there are others, but these are the ones I'm familiar with along with their membership numbers.

According to the NRA, their membership reached 5.5 million total members in 2018, a record high
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association#Membership

GOA claims >100,000 members
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Owners_of_America

The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) is the lobbying affiliate of the SAF. As of January 2015, both groups reported having over 650,000 membershttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_Foundation

Forgot JPFO, Alan Gottlieb, CEO; last reported membership number I could find was 7000.

Texas State Rifle Assn.
Founded in 1919, the Texas State Rifle Association is the largest firearms and shooting sports organization in Texas with 40,000 members. From article dated 2014:
https://www.ammoland.com/2014/10/te...ation-names-dubois-as-new-executive-director/

The total membership numbers of the four most recognized allies is around 800,000.
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frogfurr said:
Let's not split up. Better only a couple of powerful gun organizations than dozens of small splinter groups.

Or you can splint up and we can do the assault with groups of a dozen members each. That will do little.
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Yo Mama said:
They each have a purpose, and do the work it takes. As mentioned, you have many layers with national, state, and local. It's good to have some choices, there are not unlimited groups, really not enough imo.
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I think we can all agree, that we must support all of the groups we can and presenting a unified front in the face of a very strong opposition is more important than it has ever been.

Regards,
hps
 
I have been an NRA member for most years since 1967 through thick and thin. That along with making calls, and email in recent years . I have just donated to my states gun rights organization and at least join one other national organization. If I can do that living on only my SS , there is no excuse why a million more gun owners can't skip a family meal out and join a national gun rights organization. People like me and others should not have to carry the load for those to damn cheap to help, and if nothing else a phone call or a email likely will cost little or nothing.
The time to take action was long ago with your votes and your participation. As they say, lead, follow, or get out of the way.
 
JPFO has a pretty good rep. I just joined them so I really hope they are effective. I cant afford to just go around joining them all. I get what someone here said about the NRA being the 600lb gorilla that you want on your side, but obviously it's better that we have more than just one gun rights group visible to the mainstream. It shows the diversity of advocates out there. If it was only the NRA we had, it would become more of a label than it already is, and members would be at the full mercy of any political mistakes made by the NRA. By itself, the NRA would just look like "the political party for gun nuts" to anti-gun people. The presence of other organizations detracts that from the NRA's image and the NRA should welcome the presence of other groups even if they aren't getting all the membership. Anti-gun people will realize that pro-gun people are diverse and make personal choices, and are not just being brainwashed by one powerful organization.

Part of my decision to join JPFO was due to a recommendation I got probably 20 years ago! And that person is also a lifetime member of the NRA and not a member of JPFO so far. I cant wait to tell him I finally took his advice!
 
James Fonteneaux said:
Here comes an unpopular opinion. I've spent the money on guns. I've spent the money on ammo. I've spent the money on provisions. Every day I get emails on how much money I need to donate to X. I've written my elected officials, let them know where I stand... How broke do I need to get, how many email chains do be a part of, what list to I need to be on to make a difference? I'm sick of being told to donate to X, and everything will be ok. Ive been a strong R supporter, sent them my money, they still have fancy suits, our laws are still in peril. Spend your money stocking your position. Nobody wearing a suit gives a hoot what you think.
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Don't have to volunteer money...go to a rally, protest! Write, call!!!! Do Something!
 
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frogfurr said:
Let's not split up. Better only a couple of powerful gun organizations than dozens of small splinter groups.

Or you can splint up and we can do the assault with groups of a dozen members each. That will do little.
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None of the typical large ones represent my views so splitting is necessary.
 
Offhand McFlan said:
I mean people who like to be seen making angry or very serious and proud poses with guns, thus only convincing people they are dangerous. For instance, I like to share photos of my guns...but not of myself looking dangerous and malicious with them. I carry every day, usually concealed but I'm not resigned to just that. I'm not looking to show off. Yet if someone sees my piece printing or peeking, well...I've already rehearsed how I'll handle that and if a person wants to be confrontive I'll just briefly state why I carry, cite my rights and walk peacefully away. I think there's too many people out there who want to be seen. They're pretty much always posing, always looking to stir things up. People on the left can be like that and so can people on the right. And then there are all the dramatic YouTube videos geared to stun and impress. They are NOT likely to foster a positive response from skeptics...while enthusiasts will be creaming their Jean's. If negative people feel they are being in some way targeted by that kind of exhibitionism, you are more likely to incur resistance and skepticism than if you just try to be discrete but calmly and respectfully deal with it if accidentally noticed. There is simply too much posing and vanity associated with gun culture. Guns are supposed to be utilitarian, right? Dont get me wrong! I love guns and I have my favorite movie scenes too... But I think if we really want to recruit unlikely people to slowly lower their apprehensions and join our ranks as "gun-friendlies", folks who like to strut need to stop strutting so much...at least beyond the walls of our homes and clubs. Otherwise for every person you convert you'll also invite plenty of overt opoosition....and we dont need that. We need to promote utilitarianism first and let people develop their own gun-egos without us trying to superimpose and cultivate it with drama.
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Yup
 
P.S. Two great magazines many of you get are NRA's The Rifleman & American Hunter magazines. When finished, give away rather than throw away, or save. The printing press was a powerful part of our Nation's beginning. Share those magazines to open more minds.

P.P.S. The specific organizations mentioned on this thread are much appreciated. "Who I can't stand" and "what you shouldn't do"...save it for another day.
 
Even though its not popular to say so these days I firmly believe the most powerful protector of the 2nd amendment is still the NRA. There would be no bigger feather in the anti-gunner's cap than the demise of the NRA. If the lefties hate them that's good enough for me.
I'm a life member and I also belong to GOAL.
Also, I do a fair amount of buying and selling guns and I make it my business to only sell to NRA members.
 
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