Another question of etiquette...

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DustyGmt

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I have no immediate plans to pursue this, but I can't help but wonder from time to time if there is a respectful, non offensive way to handle the following scenario or if I should just leave it alone.

I had been at a 2nd home of some people from out of state doing electrical work and I had to do some wiring in the crawl space and came across a motherload of case quantity .223/9mm and also lots of 30-06 and .380. The home belongs to an elderly couple and the older man put off a very ex-state police vibe and there were framed newspaper clippings of crimes and investigations and stuff. Very serious guy and obviously very enthusiastic about guns, I had to go down through a hatch in the bedroom closet and he was definitely a "gun guy".

We did the work and left and about a year or so later we got called back to do some other stuff and unfortunately the man had passed due to illness. I'm just curious if it would be in poor taste to make an offer to the widow and what you guys may think. One of the things that kind of makes me think it could come off as offensive is that I am basically a stranger. I feel it would be different if I knew them in basically any other way.

I don't think I will, I think in this case there is too great a chance of coming off as insensitive and like I was eyeballing their stuff, which in truth I was because I'm into it and just can't help but think that a woman in her 80's probably isn't making any use of the ammo and there is a chance she doesn't even know it exists since it was pretty well hidden. I would hate to offend someone grieving a loss of a loved one but part of me wonders if she might be relieved to have the financial boost and what's the harm in throwing out an offer.

Would it be so different if there was a bass boat in the garage and somebody randomly inquired about it? Idk. Thoughts?
 
Did you get called back and worked on site?
If so, I would make a remark whilst in the house that it is a shame the fellow has passed, he being an obvious gun guy like yourself. Then see where that leads.
If you already had the second visit and now you don't have any more jobs there, you missed the opportunity in my opinion.
 
I think if it were me, I would inquire about the husband being a “gun guy” to the wife. After a brief conversation, with mention of me also being a “gun guy”, I would make mention that while performing the duties I was hired to do, I noticed something. The ammunition. I would ask her if she knew it was there. Then I would ask if she has any intention of doing anything with it. And depending on her answer, I would either offer to help move it to better storage location inside the house (crawl spaces are notorious for moisture) or offer to purchase the ammunition. Do all that with respect for her and her late husband, and I see no problem.
 
Did you get called back and worked on site?
If so, I would make a remark whilst in the house that it is a shame the fellow has passed, he being an obvious gun guy like yourself. Then see where that leads.
If you already had the second visit and now you don't have any more jobs there, you missed the opportunity in my opinion.
We got called back but on our second visit the house was unoccupied. I wrote a note and was going to leave it on the counter but I decided not to at the last second. You're probably right, missed opportunity. It just pops up in my head from time to time. It's probably been almost a year since I've been there.
 
A good friend of mine is a home inspector and punchlist/renovation contractor. He finds firearms in attics a dozen times a year, often in vacant homes.

His approach is honest, straightforward, and interested. He notifies the owner (if they might not know), and if they seem receptive he says he's interested if they ever decide to sell. 95% don't care, 5% ask for or make an offer. He has a neat collection.

To put this in context: it's exactly his job to be rooting around in dark corners finding stuff, and he'd do the same if he found a stack of original frame and panel door slabs, or a '58 Packard in the barn.
 
When you go back to do the work make an offer on the ammo or see if she will pay you partially in that ammo.

I don’t think it’s too early… She might not even know it’s there if it‘s tucked away in the crawlspace. And if she does and she herself doesn’t shoot she probably has no use for it.

Remember you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take; And in today’s market with ammo I think it would be foolish to not ask her about it at least for risk of offending her.

If you need a way to enter into that conversation start talking about you know your memories from the last time you were there how do you remember her husband was a cop (and if you know some cops in your family or friend group) and then transition into maybe asking if he was a gun enthusias etc etc. Make a normal conversation if she seems receptive. If not just go right out and ask her.


Take my advice with a grain of salt… I’m an elder millennial and a lot of people think we have no concept of manners.
 
You could always play the safety card---
"Ma'am, while working in your crawl space, I noticed your husband had stored some ammo. It really isn't safe to store it this way. If you would like, I would
help you to store it more securely or if you want to get rid of it, I would be interested in buying it."
 
You could always play the safety card---
"Ma'am, while working in your crawl space, I noticed your husband had stored some ammo. It really isn't safe to store it this way. If you would like, I would
help you to store it more securely or if you want to get rid of it, I would be interested in buying it."
That's a good point, I would probably just point out that it's a very moisture prone environment and suggest some Dessicant for long term storage or alternatively if she wished to sell it I would make an offer...
 
Call and ask. Tell the widow you'll make her a fair offer if she's interested and then be fair with the price. If there are no heirs interested in the ammo she'd probably be happy to sell.
 
It's scary to think of what could come of your guns if your wife is totally ignorant about firearms. There was a woman who hauled an entire Coleman cooler full of .38spl ammo to the scrap yard and was asking if she could dispose of it. My "buddy" offered to take it off her hands and then sold it to a different buddy for like $150 because he owed me $50 and apparently didn't want to address his debt with me at the time. :fire:
 
I wouldn’t ask personally, I’d have to make her an offer the CURRENT market value, which is high, or I wouldn’t be able to sleep. If I’m making an offer of current market value then I’m really not saving much, so theirs not a real advantage to it.
Also honestly, if I don’t know how long it’s been stored in a crawl space I may be a little concerned about corrosion. As most crawl spaces around her are 100% humidity.

I also wouldn’t be offended if the situation were reversed. Not at all.
 
You had a legitimate reason for knowing about the ammo stash. She may be relieved to be rid of it.

Make an offer. The offer does not have to be based on currently inflated prices ; offer a cash amount that is reasonable - and consider the circumstances ... You are not answering an ad for new factory merchandise ; rather salvaging a stash of unknown age and less than prime condition due to long term (?) storage. It may be polite to give her time to consult with other family members who might be interested , if there are any such people.

Such situations do not present themselves every day. Avail yourself of this one if you can.
 
Yes, it's worth pursuing. The way I see it, the issue is not really the offer but the amount of the offer. Even if you offer a "fair" amount (which these days might be more than you can afford), I can almost guarantee that the widow's relatives, when they find out about the transaction, will complain that she was taken advantage of. I would certainly get buy-in from the rest of the family, ahead of time.
 
I don't think it's unreasonable if you go about it the right way. Talk to her, listen to her stories, be sympathetic and then tell her what you found and if she would consider selling it. If she has no interest drop the subject, but if she is make a reasonable offer and invite her to talk to her children if it makes her feel more comfortable.
 
I would explain that the current prices are inflated and be honest and up front about it. Although I would not even be a little bit interested if she wanted to hold out for current market prices. I can get ammo at current market prices, that hasn't been sitting in a crawl space. I'd be up front about the fact that if I was to shoot or sell it, I'd be looking for a deal.

I would inform her that she could potentially get a better price if she or her family placed an ad or hunted for a different buyer, but I wouldn't be looking to pay current market prices and would be straight up about that. I'd give her time to think about or talk it over with family, etc and they may know someone that could give them a better price. That would obviously not be ideal for me but at least I'd know it wasn't rotting away in a crawlspace.

There's a chance she might just want it gone, even though she's elderly the one time I met her she seemed like a woman who knew how to handle her affairs. I'll have to kick it around a lil bit and figure out the best way to make contact.
 
If she has children/grandchildren you should make an effort to contact them about it. I'd be very pissed if someone tried to talk to my recently widowed, vunerable, and elderly mother about off loading my dead dad's stuff. That way you might avoid looking like a predatory guy looking to rip off a little old lady.
I definitely see where you're coming from, but I think I'd leave that up to her. I imagine all it would take is a member of her family to punch in "9mm ammo" on gunbroker and find some listing of $1.50/rd and kill the deal. I wouldn't take her over the coals but I'm also not trying to pick my own pocket.
 
Dusty - before you offer her "fair market value", find out her wishes for the ammo then examine it carefully. As has been previously stated, crawls are high humidity areas in most parts of the U.S. and the ammo may be rusty or corroded and unusable. If the ammo's condition is poor, offer a fair sum for taking and disposing of it for her.
 
She may or may not know what's there. If any of her children/grandchildren inherited the gun enthusiast gene, it may already be gone. Family members are usually the first vultures to start circling, but you gotta at least ask. It seems like you're thoughtful enough to figure a way to not seem abrasive or insensitive. I'm sure you're aware it's not just your personal reputation but that of your employer too. Just be honest and sincere and nobody can fault you for inquiring.
 
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