Carried by 6, but job consequences - a case

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Every once in awhile in our discussions, someone says they would rather be judged by 12 than carried by six or unless their job has metal detectors they would carry. We usually deleted such as we don't allow posts that advocate breaking the law or not following company regulations.

So from my good friend's Karl Rehn's newsletter (www.krtraining.com), I saw this video:



The video described how a company's policies and how being known as a gun person can turn on you and the personal and family consequences of such. The author of the video was turned in by someone who overhead he was a gun person and his forbidden gun fired, leading to immediate termination and worse.

I know from personal experience that co-workers will blab maliciously. I knew a person involved in a major scandal (nothing to do with me) but some jerk told the local papers I knew that person and I had to deal with phone calls looking for dirt on the scandal participant. No thought that maybe I didn't want to talk to the papers.

At work, I did not hide my gun world involvement. I did get some administrative flack for it, but acting against me was neigh on impossible unless I did something stupid like forbidden guns at the workplace. I avoided that and followed the rules.

This case is one reason, we take out the posturing 12, 6 posts.
 
Good info and good post.

What's spoken in Utah at the work place is not spoken in Maryland.

I'm good with that! :)

It was clear to me years ago that local and state politics matter. Living in a good place early is a money maker.
 
GEM said:
This case is one reason, we take out the posturing 12, 6 posts
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Some will not care, but you guys should be thanked also on the basis of "what you post online could be used against you" as well, even if dumb posts aren't entirely scrubbed away.

I work in a small shop, with just my boss and I. We both carry, however gun talk, locker room talk, politics, etc are typically a bad idea in your place of employment. Some people just never learn though.
 
That video should awaken some people to the risk they are taking when they break firearm policy of an employer. I hope those on this forum who do that get to see the video. I have a simple policy. Do not rule set by an entity that has the right do set the rules. In PA a no-guns sign does not have the force of law, but I never ignore the sign. If I were employed as the fellow who made the video was, I would have left my gun in the car or at home if the parking lot was considered work premises.
 
Loose lips...

I always remind my friends they shouldn't brag about how many guns they own or how much ammo they have, despite this shortage, unless you know who you're bragging to.
I live in a area bad for gun owners so it's a good idea not to blow smoke. The timid ones will see you as a dangerous threat and the criminally minded will see you as a threat that needs to be dealt with first, so I remind my friends don't stand out.

As well intended as this PSA was, I'm almost certain that it'll be dismissed by the very same folks he was trying to reach. Why? Bumper sticker slogans are just too hard to resist.
In my personal opinion, it's better to be Clark Kent in and out of the workplace. I know some folks really want to brag to strangers about their super gun prowess but you should keep that side to yourself unless you know these people really well and you share many of the same interests.

It took a lot of guts for that guy to go on the record and talk about his story. A lot can be learned if you just have the ability to listen. I wish him luck in future endeavors.
 
I and 3 other guys went from one company to another and during the interview process we were told no guns. My boss stopped the regional manager and said we may have a problem because we all have a pistol in our trucks. The manager only said don't be taking them out and waving them around and there won't be any problems. We worked in the oilfield and went to some remote places at all hours of the day and night. On a similar note don't put NRA, S&W, SIG or any gun related sticker on your vehicle. It is a red flag to those that don't like those tools.
 
GEM said:
This case is one reason, we take out the posturing 12, 6 posts.
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These kinds of posts are legion in the firearm and 4x4 communities...

...an infestation frequently seen in various signatures.

Examples are animated GIFs featuring the Mozambique Drill from "Collateral," Jack Nicholson's Character spewing vitriol from "A Few Good Men," various perversions involving God or a quote from the Founding Fathers, etc... Tactical or Militocratic Fantasies, Charlton Hestonism... Take your pick :(
 
I always saw it as a simple and easy answer. Its my business and my risk, especially since they are forcing all risk on me anyway, and dont want to take any responsibility for anything that might happen to me, because of their rules. I just did what was best for me, and kept quiet about it. That worked on a daily basis for a little over 45 years, and most of that was in NPE's.

I always looked at it this way, by them telling me I cant carry my gun, then they must be taking full responsibility for my safety, and are liable for anything that might happen in that respect. Of course, they didnt ever see it that way.

Funny how pretty much every time you hear of something bad happening in this respect, its always in places that prohibit you from protecting yourself.

The only person who has your best interest at heart, is you. It is your life, you do what you think best. ;)
 
It's unfortunate that we live in a society where some people's only sense of accomplishment or empowerment comes from ratting out a co-worker, acquaintance, or neighbor, merely so they can watch punitive action being taken. These mice brainlessly scramble from one precipitated event, to the next, in a fruitless attempt to inflate their own egos, and assure themselves, that their empty lives need no other purposeful validation.

When possible, I avoid individuals of this nature, at all costs.
 
Leon tP said:
Bumper sticker slogans are just too hard to resist.
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The elder Robert the Bruce is given a line in Braveheart: "It's easy to admire an unyielding man."
We humans are drawn to firebrands.
Speaking their uncompromising, unyielding, epithets can garner that same admiration (real or imagined).

Living an uncompromising life, though, is hard, near to impossibly hard.
Especially as we humans are hugely adaptable creatures. We can tolerate vast extremes, altitude, latitude, even subjugation and abuse. We form social groups reflexively, yet still admire the firebrand.

The OP is an excellent example of what can happen to a firebrand, an uncompromising person. Is it an absolute lesson? No, few things in human life are either absolute nor universal. That does not preclude it being a good lesson.
 
Dibbs said:
It's unfortunate that we live in a society where some people's only sense of accomplishment or empowerment comes from ratting out a co-worker, acquaintance, or neighbor, merely so they can watch punitive action being taken.
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What they never seem to understand is they may be next.

Any proof this wasn't put out by an anti group with a hidden agenda?
 
The Glockodile said:
"...there's been no dramatic embellishments..."

*** pours self some dark liquor to lend resonance for a somber tone and effect ***

R ur pantz on fire?
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My thoughts as well. What a drama Queen. The Scotch in the cut glass bottle was a nice touch The nose snorting is over the top.
Maybe his income and sponsors from YouTube will support him
He will probably get fired from his new job due to this video and drinking,
It was a Company not a Jury

Not knowing the companies exact policy on guns we will never know, Plus they can not make you basically strip and search you.

20 minutes of my life I will never get back.:eek:
 
Before the insanity of the last few decades, my utility allowed guys to bring their deer rifles to work and inside the plant as the elevated position from a few platforms overlooked a nice cooling pond and alfalfa fields. The other power plant had a trap/skeet field and club on the premises where employees could go shoot during lunch.
Nowadays, Fed laws make it a serious crime to bring a gun onto power plant property. Them's the rules; live by them or be gone - it isn't hard to understand - your 2A rights do not extend to private property or those under Fed Homeland rules
 
Geez, I know the posters. Find your conspiracy elsewhere.

Also they can’t search you but you are instantly fired and they can tell you to leave.
 
George P said:
. Them's the rules; live by them or be gone - it isn't hard to understand - your 2A rights do not extend to private property or those under Fed Homeland rules
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That's about as good a summary as should be necessary. I don't want to work weekends or evenings. In fact, I flatly refuse to entertain any job offer where that may be required. I also refuse to work anywhere that doesn't allow me to wear shorts when it's hot. Having the option to carry is also a benefit.

Would I sacrifice any and all of these perks out of need? Only if I became extremely desperate. Hopefully I'm never required to find a job that pays the most money.
 
My company allows firearms in your vehicle on company property, but not on your person in buildings. I can live with that and have never violated it.

One employee got in trouble for showing off his new AR-10 in the parking lot in full view of an office building. Took it out of the vehicle and pointed it at different objects.

Was thinking of getting into trucking, but was told firearms are not allowed in just about every company truck. No way I'm delivering valuable goods to sketchy neighborhoods in Chicago unarmed.
 
I want to thank the staff members, moderators and contributing members for their diligent work to keep this forum within the guidelines and helping readers and commenters learn what is appropriate for comments, keeping discussions on track and ongoing education on legal pitfalls to avoid.
 
I'm sorry, but this guy takes 19 minutes and 56 seconds to tell his story when he could probably have made the salient points in under three minutes. This video uses every dramatic effect possible, and frankly, is slower than dirt. The story could be compelling, but our actor makes it tedious. Anyone attuned to the RKBA movement who has spent more than a couple minutes on the internet firearms discussion forums would understand the issues involved and could easily avoid the travails suffered by our storyteller.

Do we really need all the drama to inform us of the consequences of violating workplace policies? And *** is up with the whisky decanter and crystal glass? Not to make light of the topic, but can't we accomplish providing information without drama? (P.S. - I like whisky)

Stuff such as this makes me glad I work in an occupation in which I'm expected to carry a firearm.
 
There is one point no one is making.
He obviously make a comment to someone about carrying a gun at work.
There are some things even your friends should not know.
We had a coworker threaten to shoot everyone. He was escorted off the premises and I started carrying the next day for about 6 months.
Not a single person at work knew about it.
It's been over a year and the person has a new job. So I've gone back to normal.
 
Make an assessment, make your choice, and live with the potential of the worst case scenario.

Does the employer take active measures to protect employees from workplace violence, or are they just prohibiting guns to protect themselves from liability?

Do you need that job, or just a job?
 
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