Will people hate me if I do this to a somewhat rare Ruger No.1?

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Im curious if anyone knows why ruger made a CHP commemorative 357 magnum #1 in the first place? Just curious if there is a story behind that. I was humorously thinking it would at least give retired CHP officers something to shoot all the department ammo they pilfered over the years.
 
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someguy2800 said:
Im curious if anyone know why ruger made a CHP commemorative 357 magnum #1 in the first place? Just curious if there is a story behind that. I has humorously thinking it would at least give retired CHP officers something to shoot all the department ammo they pilfered over the years.
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at the tame they came out a retired officer would of carried a 357 practically their entire career .
 
someguy2800 said:
You say 400 fps as if it were an insignificant amount. That’s adding like 100-125 yards of range depending on the bullet before they drop to the same velocity.
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350 Legend is your Huckleberry. Why buy a rifle that you have to rechamber with little or no commercial ammo available and is only practical if you reload?

You said so yourself.

If someone made an 1892 in 357 max for under $1000 I would buy one. I have a contender in 357 maximum already.

The 357 maximum is dead as a factory offering. It will continue to have a niche following especially in single shots but there will never be a factory rifle with factory ammo in 357 maximum. Even if they did the 350 legend would still be a better cartridge because 357 maximum is sammi approved already at only 40,000 psi which was appropriate for a revolver but leaves a lot on the table in a rifle. Many of us who handload the 357 maximum in a rifle load it to around 55,000 psi with small rifle primers. For that reason even if the same rifle was offered in both cartridges with factory ammo I would still pick the 350 legend.

The fact is you would destroy any value of a Ruger #1 if you rechambered it to 357 Max. People actually collect #1's in odd ball factory cartridges provided they came that way from the factory. Custom barrels and re-cut chambers need not apply.

But it's not my money so full speed ahead.
 
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Your gun. And this has been done a number of times through the years. However, I wonder if it is worth it for 300 fps IF you can find the cases. However, if you already have a T/C Contender in 357 Max and all the components for reloading, it would be an interesting companion piece.
 
someguy2800 said:
You say 400 fps as if it were an insignificant amount. That’s adding like 100-125 yards of range depending on the bullet before they drop to the same velocity.
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Blunt bullets don't work like that. If you want to extend the range much, improve the BC of the bullet.
 
CoalTrain49 said:
350 Legend is your Huckleberry. Why buy a rifle that you have to rechamber with little or no commercial ammo available and is only practical if you reload?

You said so yourself.

If someone made an 1892 in 357 max for under $1000 I would buy one. I have a contender in 357 maximum already.

The 357 maximum is dead as a factory offering. It will continue to have a niche following especially in single shots but there will never be a factory rifle with factory ammo in 357 maximum. Even if they did the 350 legend would still be a better cartridge because 357 maximum is sammi approved already at only 40,000 psi which was appropriate for a revolver but leaves a lot on the table in a rifle. Many of us who handload the 357 maximum in a rifle load it to around 55,000 psi with small rifle primers. For that reason even if the same rifle was offered in both cartridges with factory ammo I would still pick the 350 legend.

The fact is you would destroy any value of a Ruger #1 if you rechambered it to 357 Max. People actually collect #1's in odd ball factory cartridges provided they came that way from the factory. Custom barrels and re-cut chambers need not apply.

But it's not my money so full speed ahead.
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I am good with anybody wanting to alter their #1. It just makes mine worth more.:)
 
CoalTrain49 said:
350 Legend is your Huckleberry. Why buy a rifle that you have to rechamber with little or no commercial ammo available and is only practical if you reload?

You said so yourself.

If someone made an 1892 in 357 max for under $1000 I would buy one. I have a contender in 357 maximum already.

The 357 maximum is dead as a factory offering. It will continue to have a niche following especially in single shots but there will never be a factory rifle with factory ammo in 357 maximum. Even if they did the 350 legend would still be a better cartridge because 357 maximum is sammi approved already at only 40,000 psi which was appropriate for a revolver but leaves a lot on the table in a rifle. Many of us who handload the 357 maximum in a rifle load it to around 55,000 psi with small rifle primers. For that reason even if the same rifle was offered in both cartridges with factory ammo I would still pick the 350 legend.

The fact is you would destroy any value of a Ruger #1 if you rechambered it to 357 Max. People actually collect #1's in odd ball factory cartridges provided they came that way from the factory. Custom barrels and re-cut chambers need not apply.

But it's not my money so full speed ahead.
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That is true that given the choice of both cartridges in the same rifle I would pick the 350 legend, however neither of them are offered in the rifle I was referring to or a number 1 so I don’t follow what your point is. I don’t buy any factory ammo so I could not care any less if there is any factory ammo available. I’m going to guess that is also the case for anyone else looking to own a 357 max. When I was referring to factory ammo being an advantage I was referring to what would make sense for other people to buy and for manufactures to produce.
 
HowieG said:
Blunt bullets don't work like that. If you want to extend the range much, improve the BC of the bullet.
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As you can see here, blunt bullets do indeed work like that. Calculated with a 180 grain xtp. A 180 xtp leaving the station at 2200 is still going faster at 200 than the bullet leaving at 1800 is at 100 yards.

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someguy2800 said:
That is true that given the choice of both cartridges in the same rifle I would pick the 350 legend, however neither of them are offered in the rifle I was referring to or a number 1 so I don’t follow what your point is. I don’t buy any factory ammo so I could not care any less if there is any factory ammo available. I’m going to guess that is also the case for anyone else looking to own a 357 max. When I was referring to factory ammo being an advantage I was referring to what would make sense for other people to buy and for manufactures to produce.
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So you would encourage someone to rechamber to 357 Max when they could just as easily rechamber to 350 and buy all the ammo one would need at Cabela's and run it in an AR that they might also have?
 
CoalTrain49 said:
So you would encourage someone to rechamber to 357 Max when they could just as easily rechamber to 350 and buy all the ammo one would need at Cabela's and run it in an AR that they might also have?
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Yes I would encourage someone willing to handload to rechamber their 357 mag to 357 max instead of 350 legend because rechambering to 350 legend would require removing the barrel and setting back the shoulder to remove the groove for the rim and also rework the extractor to work on the rebated rim of the 350 legend case as compared to reaming the chamber to 357 max which is a 30 minute job.

Additionally, much to my surprise and dismay, 350 legend uses .355” diameter bullets for some reason. I have always had perfectly acceptable results shooting undersized bullets but I couldn’t say for certain that the .355” diameter factory loaded ammo would even shoot well in a .357” bore, so it could all be for naught.
 
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someguy2800 said:
Yes I would encourage someone willing to handload to rechamber their 357 mag to 357 max instead of 350 legend because rechambering to 350 legend would require removing the barrel and setting back the shoulder to remove the groove for the rim and also rework the extractor to work on the rebated rim of the 350 legend case as compared to reaming the chamber to 357 max which is a 30 minute job.

Additionally, much to my surprise and dismay, 350 legend uses .355” diameter bullets for some reason. I have always had perfectly acceptable results shooting undersized bullets but I couldn’t say for certain that the .355” diameter factory loaded ammo would even shoot well in a .357” bore, so it could all be for naught.
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No they don't.

Much like 357 Magnum, the 350 Legend is loaded with a .357-inch-diameter bullet, within the SAAMI tolerances. (Rifled barrels, whether in handguns or long guns chambered for the 357 Magnum, 357 Maximum, or 350 Legend all have groove diameters of approximately .355 inches. That translates to a bullet exiting the muzzle with the same approximate diameter of every bullet when fired from all of these cartridges.)

https://winchester.com/Blog/2019/09/Winchesters-New-350-Legend-Ammo#:~:text=Much like 357 Magnum, the,bullet, within the SAAMI tolerances.

The fact is a rechamber to any new cartridge isn't going to be worth the expense.
 
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someguy2800 said:
As you can see here, blunt bullets do indeed work like that. Calculated with a 180 grain xtp. A 180 xtp leaving the station at 2200 is still going faster at 200 than the bullet leaving at 1800 is at 100 yards.

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Take a look at this 30-30 load with a Hornady 160 FTX BC .330 G1 launched at the same 2200 fps you used in your chart. The only thing that changed was the BC. Compare the retained velocity. I carried it out to 300 yards so you can see it beats out your 180 XTP by a signifcant margin even out there. You can't stuff more and more powder in a case forever to get gains on a blunt bullet. You can, within reason, shift to a higher BC bullet if the cartridge allows.
 
CoalTrain49 said:
No they don't.

Much like 357 Magnum, the 350 Legend is loaded with a .357-inch-diameter bullet, within the SAAMI tolerances. (Rifled barrels, whether in handguns or long guns chambered for the 357 Magnum, 357 Maximum, or 350 Legend all have groove diameters of approximately .355 inches. That translates to a bullet exiting the muzzle with the same approximate diameter of every bullet when fired from all of these cartridges.)

https://winchester.com/Blog/2019/09/Winchesters-New-350-Legend-Ammo#:~:text=Much like 357 Magnum, the,bullet, within the SAAMI tolerances.

The fact is a rechamber to any new cartridge isn't going to be worth the expense.
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I wish that were true but unfortunately every instance I’ve seen of someone measuring the bullets that come in factory 350 legend ammo they have been 355 as are the component bullets. I was excited when 350 came out because I thought there would be a new influx of bullets suitable for the 357 max.

If you think $40 to rent a reamer is an unreasonable expense then shooting sports is probably not for you.

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HowieG said:
Take a look at this 30-30 load with a Hornady 160 FTX BC .330 G1 launched at the same 2200 fps you used in your chart. The only thing that changed was the BC. Compare the retained velocity. I carried it out to 300 yards so you can see it beats out your 180 XTP by a signifcant margin even out there. You can't stuff more and more powder in a case forever to get gains on a blunt bullet. You can, within reason, shift to a higher BC bullet if the cartridge allows.
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Yes a cartridge that holds 35 grains of powder outperforms a cartridge that holds 24 grains of powder.
 
someguy2800 said:
If you think the 357 max is a dog at 200 then you think the 357 mag is a dog at 75. You also think a 35 Remington is a dog too then.
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Really? That's what I think? Well thanks for letting me know.

Actually, I do think the original tube magazine load for the 35 Remington (200 grain RN BC .148) qualifies as a dog from the retained velocity standpoint. Load it with a 200 grain Hornady FTX BC .300 and it becomes a much better cartridge. If you have a rifle than can handle the pointed bullets.
 
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