HK Owners - What About The Pistols Do You Like?

HK Jake said:

Hmm, I could go with, "Opinions are like...," or "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride."

Can you prove to me that Glocks are more reliable than HKs? [No.]

You can make whatever assertions you like; you are entitled to your opinion as we all are.

Wait, are you saying Hyundais are as good as or better than BMWs? Sure, they are decent cars, but really? I've driven and tested at least one model of nearly every make of car (for this example, I've driven every Hyundai model made since 2004 and most BMW models), and I can say with certainty that there is no Hyundai that stacks up to any BMW. (Speaking of Hyundai, I learned to drive stick on a Tiburon back when I was 12 or 13! )

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I did not say Glocks are more reliable than HK's, I said using your analogy, that is the conclusion I would have to come to because Hyundai's are cheaper and far more reliable than BMW's.

If I had to sum it all up, I was saying that your assertion that BMW's have less problems than other cars was total BS. All the car companies I listed have better histories of reliability, especially when it comes to powertrain dependability.

Whether or not BMW's are better than Hyundai's is an opinion matter and it depends on what you are looking for. If your are looking for relatively inexpensive cars, then, yes, Hyundais are better than BMW's.

The HK USP Tactical has the uncanny ability to deliver carbine-like accuracy, and Glock-like reliability out of a handgun. Also the firearms themselves are incredibly robust.

I'll second HGUNHNTR's comment here, since I didn't bring it up in my previous post.

3" groups at 50 yards have been known to happen out of my USP Tactical.

marksman13 said:

Different strokes for different folks. I will say if I find a P2000 at a good price I'll probably add one to the collection one day.

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Thinking about selling my P2k v3. What's a good price to you?

I don't have anything scientific to add, because my SA XD was as reliable as my two HK's now... I don't know why they cost so much, but I don't mind paying it.

They have pretty cool widgets and gizmo's on them, like the buffer on the recoil spring and the mag release on the trigger guard. I think HK does a awesome job at making firearms that ooooze "sexy" and "lethal".

Cards81fan said:

I appreciate everyone's replies! The comments I quoted above are great and give me insight into the tangible things people like about these guns. I mean, I have read about "it just feels right," and that is valid for sure, but always wondered what features actually made it feel so right? For example, some say Glocks just feel right to them, but they don't to me and I can articulate that my small hands do not like the larger grip on anything aside from the 26/27 size (I don't like ANY double stack .45 for that matter).

Back to HKs. I never knew the side panels were interchangeable on an HK - that is a cool feature without having to interchange a full set of grips. This is the kind of info I was looking to gather. Thanks again guys and keep 'em coming.

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The side panels are only interchangeable on the P30. Just an FYI.

I'll say it before and I will say it again- HK's are built to a standard and not a price.

I own I think 7-8 HK's (a couple I don’t shoot) and not a single one has ever jammed. Not a single one had a flaw. When I hold an HK, I can feel the quality permeate into my hands. I love the diopeter sighting system. I love the company’s illustrious history. I love the fact that "good enough" is never "good enough" for them. I love how committed they are to innovation- what other company has came up with a gun that can fire underwater? What other company developed a hydraulic recoil system for a handgun(as used on the P7M7)? What other company can lay claim to making the most accurate semi-auto sniper rifle in the world? And it’s not no "3 shot group"- to them it has to average for 50 continuous shots. Who came up with the first polymer handgun (guess)? They use French steel in all of their barrels. It’s harder to work with but the metal is superior to anything else.
This company has continued to raise the bar, time and time again. They truly are the best gun manufacturer in the world.
If you think they are overpriced, why are they still selling?
If you think they are overpriced, then you don’t get it.

My usp 45c I got in Jan has a date code of 1999. I got it used for a good price the thing is rugged it looks good and handels recoil very well. Mags are expensive but the gun is awesome imo. I say its a good polymer pistol and sexy, u wont be disappointed.

How is grip on the new HK45 and HK45c? Is it smaller than the USP45?

I really want a 45ACP, but the USP45 was too big for my hand, by just a tiny amount. I loved the P30--9mm, but couldn't find a HK45 to handle.

I had a HK USP 9mm Compact w/ the 1911 style safety. Paid about $800 for it. Sold it to pay for my Chevy.

I loved that it was a crossbreed between an XD and a 1911. I love the texture on the grip. I liked carrying a poly gun "locked and loaded". I liked the decocker.

I didnt like the rattle it had when loaded. I didnt like the front site after it ended up off-center to the left. My only two complaints. I may have had a lemon.

I've shot more Glocks than HKs, but I'll buy another HK before I buy ANY Glock.

their use by militaries and spec ops all over the world

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You mean the MK23 that sits in arms rooms collecting dust?

I like that it makes me better than the little people who don't own one.

At least that's what the FlavorAid packet that came in my USP box said.

My first centerfire pistol was a USP40. I eventually traded it on a Glock 23, and then the Glock 19. I couldn't be happier with that series of decisions-- other than I could have saved time and money going to the Glock 9mm earlier. IMO, the manual of arms on the standard variant USP's is overly complex and the pistols are relatively large.

I am a fan of the P7 series. It is amongst the best CCW pistols ever devised.

That said, I would like to try the P30 and KH45, and I wouldn't kick a MK23 out of the safe.

My first pistol was a USP .45. It has been dead nuts reliable and far more accurate than I am. My gripes are- the DA trigger is far from great (but I can carry cocked and locked in SA) and the grip is a little large for my small hands.

I have bought lots of pistols since, but the USP still puts a grin on my face when I shoot it. Just makes me look good.

I'm planning on adding a USPc .45 (hopefully stainless) and a p2000sk to my collection as finances permit.

You mean the MK23 that sits in arms rooms collecting dust?

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...or maybe he's talking about the HK45c that was adopted by NSW as the MK23's replacement, or the P7 and P8 that the Bundeswehr got as lot of mileage out of. Oh, and let's be honest with ourselves, if the JCP program went to fulfillment, it would have been the HK45 that brought home the contract; they're even being built here in the US now.

My first centerfire pistol was a USP40. I eventually traded it on a Glock 23, and then the Glock 19. I couldn't be happier with that series of decisions-- other than I could have saved time and money going to the Glock 9mm earlier. IMO, the manual of arms on the standard variant USP's is overly complex and the pistols are relatively large.

I am a fan of the P7 series. It is amongst the best CCW pistols ever devised.

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I have to say, this is the first time I've ever read such a thing. The USP's manual of arms shares a lot in common with the 1911, save for the dual-function safety lever and the downward-sliding magazine release. The P7, by comparison, is a completely different manual of arms from any other pistol out there. The European mag release itself is also backwards, pivoting forward, rather than backwards, to release the magazine. Locking the slide back requires concentration and fine motor skills. Gaining a solid understanding of the cocking lever takes a good amount of time.

I've found that if I hand a shooter a USP he/she will be up & running in no time. If I hand a shooter my P7 and they've never shot one, they will almost always fumble with all of the items listed above, to include some unintentional double taps from not maintaining constant pressure on the cocking lever.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of both (own both), but the USP's manual of arms is much more familiar to American shooters than the P7.

Honestly, I was a S&W guy until the first time I handled a P30; the ergonomics of the P30/HK45 are vastly superior (in my opinion, of course) to any other handgun on the market.

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Well - perhaps superior to any gun shy of the Walther P99, which the P30 wholeheartedly copied!

I always find it ironic how HK lovers (and don't get me wrong - I love 'em too) talk about how much of a revelation the P30 ergos are. But honestly, unless you just must have a visible hammer and the HK name, there is nothing the P30 does that the Walther P99 wasn't doing just as good or better about 15 years earlier. When you take into account the same levels of fit & finish and reliability (not to mention the Walther's much better trigger), I find it hard to see where that extra $300+ is going.

Wow! That 45C and the P30 look like my kind of pistols. Can they both be carried C&L? Thanks in advance.

I have to agree with fishbed77 to a degree.

If you handle a P99 and a P30, you will see that both the frontstrap and backstrap of both pistols are very similar (both feel very ergonomic), but the P30, which came out about ten years later, has more rounded side panels that fill up the palm of the hand better, while sides of the P99 are more flat. Also, the LEM trigger is very similar in function to the AS mode of the P99 trigger. I think H&K gets more credit for innovation due to the fact that H&K pistols are more well known than Walther pistols. In my opinion, Walther was the first company to make ergonomics a high priority in polymer pistols, while all other companies at the time were making "bricks".

I bought my P30S when I was looking for a quality 9mm pistol that could be carried cocked and locked, and I am happy with my purchase. The P30 is accurate and has never jammed on any ammo I have put through it so far. The only thing I would like H&K to improve on their pistols is the trigger. My only complaint with the newer H&K pistols.

Love my P7...very accurate and sweet trigger. I carry a USPC40 LEM....hate it....absolutely horrible trigger,blisters my trigger finger, brutal recoil. I was looking at a P30 last night. Beautiful gun, but very expensive and absolutely horrible trigger. I thought I'd check a P30 out after shooting a friends P2000 in 9mm who's trigger wasn't too bad.

P7: Yes, agree, one of the best CCW pistols ever made.

Learn the manual of arms, which is not nearly as big a deal as some make it out to be, and it is arguably the safest to carry, easy to bring into action, extremely accurate, utterly reliable, and has a trigger second only to the best 1911's.

Their reliability, accuracy, and durability are unsurpassed. I also think the HK match and LEM/match hybrid triggers are the best in the semi-auto gun industry (other than 1911s).

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VAT? You dare qvestshun ze Teutonic Masterr-pieces of H"und"K? You are not vorzy of ze honor of holdink the USP. Ve fashuned ze ergonomics of eet after the vondurs of ze Amerkin 2X4 but wizout der splinterz!

For your arroganz, ve musd charge you $600 more for ze priviledge of baskink in ze glory zat is H"und"K. Zat is $300 per Umläüt und zat is before we tell you "nein zat part does not exeest" becoz nuzink ever breakz on ze H"und"K!

Oh... yöü zink yöü are zpecial becäöüse yöü have ze Glöck? Nein! Glöck est nöt German! Glock est Austrian. To be zure, Letz compare ze two. Ze Glock ven one lookz at ze inzides... niz.... zö zimple Only 34 Pärtz? Ve hav zät mäny in ze zäfety älöne! Zis cannot ztand! Nein, back to ze drawink bort.