NBC does another report on Remington

Every single comment supports Remington.
Lol.

NBC has no credibility anymore. Nothing they say is worth taking at face value.

I only watched the first couple of minutes. Issues with all of Remington's bolt rifles firing without pulling the trigger have been well documented since the 1940's. Never heard of a single issue with the 870 series firing on their own though. I'll have to watch the episode and decide.

I saw the first show many times which aired on CNBC.

I beleive occasionally the guns do fire without pulling the trigger and I would not own one even though I practice safe gun handling at all times... I did own a Remington Model 700 in the 1970s but I sold it. I never had any misfires...

Many of the people interviewed on the first show were indeed hurt by Remington guns. Unfortunetly, 99% of these incidences could have been avoided if the gun handler had pointed the loaded guns in a safe direction....

There really is no excuse for poor gun handling and the lawyers should not hold Remington accountable for other people's poor judgement in handling loaded guns.

The first show did not discuss shotguns; which Remington shotguns are "now" problematic?

This show is BS!

I watched the first report and was really angry. They showed the scene with the police sniper several times, and it looked more like a hang fire than a problem with the rifle. The incident where the mom shot her kid was what really angered me. You're aiming a .30-06 at an aluminum horse trailer and expecting that a round wouldn't go clean through it and your kid on the other side? That muzzle should have been pointed at the ground or in the air when she started cycling the action. The interview with the designer seemed to be staged a bit. I wasn't convinced at all. My brother has hunted with a 700 for more than 20 years and he has never had a problem. He even tried to make his misfire, yet couldn't get it to. It's always a tragedy when someone dies accidentally by a firearm, but it's also sad when people misuse a firearm and then try to blame the firearm.

I have a 700 and a 870 both of which are used yearly. Not safe queens in my collection. Both have been 100% reliable. After the first report, I tried to make them malfunction as they described but could not do it.

Quit messing with the factory setting on the trigger groups people!

this time it's apparently about the 870 and 1100.

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Once again, I've never heard of a Remington shotgun firing on it's own. I've seen a model 700 do it and the evidence is overwhelming that they can and sometimes do. Remington did pay out in a class action lawsuit back in the early 90's involving their shotgun barrels splitting. It was determined that it was of no danger, so no recall. The basis of the lawsuit was over potential resale value. IIRC they paid out something like $40 million divided equally among anyone who owned one of their 870, 1100, or 11-87 shotguns at the time. I owned two 11-87's at the time and got $80 if I remember right.

TONIGHT AT 8PM CENTRAL ON NBC......new Remington reports.

TONIGHT AT 8PM CENTRAL ON NBC......FOR THOSE THAT OWN REMINGTON RIFLES. sheds light on the the safety of common fire control models, including: the 870, the 1100, the 700 and the 742, among others.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...94687#46994687

this has been a controversial subject of gun owners for years now. one way or the other, i believe it will be curious and possibly informative information to gun owners abroad no matter what their stance is on the issue.

this thread is not to fuel political propaganda, but to open the subject up for conversation and debate.

share your thoughts.

Wonder if its gonna be new material? How many ways can a possible saftey failure or malfunction, be discussed?

apparently it is new material on modern Remingtons.

The old remington malfunction


A. Point gun at someone
B. pull trigger
C. Blame manufacturer

The old remington malfunction


A. Point gun at someone
B. pull trigger
C. Blame manufacturer

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yeah, apparently this is the new malfunction, where the goes goes off with out pulling the trigger and the gun is on safe.

there was controversy on the 700s for doing this, but this news story is on the more modern models.

dont watch it if you dont want to. see if i give a rip. i just thought some people might want to see a gun related story here.......whether it is liberal biased news or factual.

Should be interesting.

As much as people want to discredit NBC, I really do believe Remingtons have a problem with the trigger (the 700s that is). For everyone calling BS I really hope you practice safe gun handling; just because something isn't likely doesn't mean it can't happen. And in this case, the consequences are very grave indeed.

I taught my boys to unload the gun when you are finished and never proper it up but lay it down. There may be a problem with the gun but this guy messed up.

I also enjoyed reading the comments, quite informative too. I won't pretend to know about the engineering of the mechanism, but there is something to the idea that millions of perfectly fine 870's can't be wrong.

I think the problem I and a lot of other people has is that they are extrapolating a handful of cases (we all know that any manufacturer can make a lemon, even one that could potentially lead to a safety issue) and saying that Remington knowingly hid defects in it's design. I mean c'mon, Remington should payout if their shotgun was at fault in that particular case, but then to bash the whole company in a sensationalized docu-drama, nah that's just not cool.

Well darn it, I have an 870 and an 1100, but no 700. I've always wanted one - maybe it's time.

He didn't have the safety on, or his particular shotgun was defective. Plain and simple. I have had my 870 fall over in a duck blind with the safety on and it never went off. Also, if he was done hunting; why didn't he unload it?

I watched it. There is nothing new about it. Same stuff we have heard for years.

I'm safe and I still say BS!

I own many different brands and calibers of guns and ALWAYS practice safe gun handling. I have six kids and they practice safe gun handling. As a matter of fact, they had a half day of school today, and we went out in the backyard and practiced safe gun handling for at least an hour with .22 rifles and an old Hopkins and Allen .38 S&W. I found the NBC show to be a bit questionable in how they went about reporting the story like there's some giant conspiracy by Remington to produce unsafe guns, or to hide a manufacturing flaw. If you watch the scene where the police sniper has a problem with the gun, it really seems to me like it was a hang fire and NOT a design flaw. NBC never states what ammo they are using, how many rounds that gun has fired in its lifetime, how many it shot that day, nor even any particulars about that rifles maintenance schedule. We are to just assume that if you have a 700, it can and will fire all by itself without you squeezing the trigger. It's really sad about the mom who shot her kid, but again, she was pointing the gun unsafely when she started cycling the action.

I always fully acquaint myself and my family with a newly acquired unloaded gun BEFORE I put live ammo into it. We always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction while handling it and loading/unloading it. Believe me when I say that we take firearms safety as serious as a heart attack.

He didn't have the safety on, or his particular shotgun was defective. Plain and simple. I have had my 870 fall over in a duck blind with the safety on and it never went off. Also, if he was done hunting; why didn't he unload it?

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Like many hunters, he isn't done hunting until the gun is unloaded and like some of us, has probably encountered his quarry when he thought he was done hunting and had an unloaded gun, so you aren't done until you unload. I don't unload until I get to the gate leaving the property.

NBC has no credibility anymore. Nothing they say is worth taking at face value.

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You know, I looked up the cases they mentioned on the Rem 700 and its variants' problems. Everything stated was supported by news articles and testimonies.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=550346&highlight=cnbc+700

It really doesn't matter if you think they are credible or not. The question at hand is if the information being presented is factual or not. Lot's of folks didn't like the story on the Rem 700's problems and blamed CNBC for making known that which Remington attempted to coverup.

I do like Remington's 3rd commandment of gun handling to never trust the safety. Ironic given than Remington's guns had been having problems with the safeties for decades.

The basis of the lawsuit was over potential resale value. IIRC they paid out something like $40 million divided equally among anyone who owned one of their 870, 1100, or 11-87 shotguns at the time. I owned two 11-87's at the time and got $80 if I remember right.

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It is amazing that Remington has paid out 10s of millions of dollars to settle claims about guns they claim are 100% safe.

MSNBC is making a career of this one. i own 19 Remington model 721,722, and 700 guns. Together they have fired at least a million or two rounds of ammo. None of those guns have ever gone bang unless they were supposed to.

Consider the source. Remember their "report" on the "side-saddle" gas tanks on older (1973-87) GM trucks? They rigged the trucks with explosives.

Unless you're on the beach or carry around a bucket of sand all backstops have only varying degress of safety with rifle caliber firearms. I agree that some of the accidents were preventable but if the gun truly does do unintential discharges as indicated that is unacceptable. The evidence seems pretty daming if one actually looks at it objectively instead of with the "media bad, guns good" mentality.