NBC does another report on Remington

[Furncliff]

Consumers are responsible for using a product in the manner prescribed by the manufacturer.

Manufacturers are liable for a product deemed unsafe.

If you own a model 700 and have not had a smith look at the trigger you may be tempting fate. If needed, replacement triggers are not expensive and many will improve your rifle.

This is not a new issue, Remington has a reputation for putting their heads in the sand going back 60 years.

 

[alsaqr]

MSNBC is making a career of bashinging Remington.

 

[foghornl]

NBC =
N othing
B ut
C ommunists

MSNBC =
M ore (of the)
S ame

N othing
B ut
C ommunists

NBC, MS-NBC, C-NBC combined (for me) have a Credibility Rating of "LTZ"

Less Than Zero

 

[bushmaster1313]

How does the person who got hurt know what happened?

It could easily be that he leaned the gun against the truck with the safety off, it started to fall, and he grabbed it by the trigger causing it to go off.

Also, why would someone leave a chambered shotgun leaning against anything?

 

[ngesar]

All part of the anti-gun propaganda machine. Most of their "investigation" has been rebuked as misuse of statistics and half-truths. Last I heard, NOBODY has been able to recreate the mysterious "firing on its own" event, without tampering with the trigger mechanism into way out of design specs.

Besides, if people were following proper weapons handling procedures then it would just be a malfunction to send off and have fixed rather than a lynch mob.

I don't know about anyone else, but I was taught to never point a weapon, loaded or not at a person I did not intend to shoot

 

[PCCUSNRET]

Thanks for the link, but I can't bring myself to watch anything put out by MSNBC, especially if it has to do with guns or politics. You know from the git it is going to be a strictly one sided anti-gun report (same as their political views). I've owned many Remington 700's over the past 40 years and have yet managed to get one to fire without pulling the trigger (this includes dropping one from a tree stand). It is regretful when anyone gets injured by an accidental or negligent discharge, but had the guns been handled safely then nobody would have gotten hurt. Not saying it couldn't happen, just make sure your gun is pointed in a safe direction in case it does.

 

[dragon813gt]

I watched the old report on Netflix the other day. There are videos of the 700s firing without touching the triggers. And Remington's own memos dating back to the 40s address the issue. They should have addressed it back then. I didn't think the old one was skewed in an anti-gun bias. Their own memos tell the story.


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[Nugilum]

Incredibly simple rule to live by: Don't Trust Yours or Anyone Else's Life To A Firearm Safety.

Rule #2.) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy!

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Consider the source. Remember their "report" on the "side-saddle" gas tanks on older (1973-87) GM trucks? They rigged the trucks with explosives.

Okay, consider the source. NBC didn't do any testing. They reported information from actual events, court cases, and Remington's own memos. So if you consider the source and that source includes Remington, then considering the source means the problems are verified.

With that said, I thought this story was particularly weak. They shingled off the 700 story and all but one of their case studies was rather dubious in terms of verification. The fact that Remington has paid out so many millions of dollars is quite telling as well.

 

[Old Dog Man]

Rem. 700 triggers

I have had some experience with the 700 triggers. Only the old ones that Rem. put a cosmiline type lube on. After many years the lube turned into a mollases like substance. In cold weather cond. it would glue the trigger together where it wouldn't work. Had some customers bring their old Rem's in and a good scrubbing out was all that it took to fix them. If they had read the instruction manual it said to clean before using, therefore not a trigger problem but a user problem. Saw the show and think it's B.S. Al

 

[whalerman]

NBC is the network that completely fabricated the 911 call that guy made to police during the recent shooting in Florida. NBC claimed it was an editing error. It was a crime. The network bosses should be arrested for falsely reporting an incident. They are not an honorable enterprise.

 

[abq87120]

NBC = Nothing But Crap

 

[talldragon]

It's airing now on the west coast. Lemme see it first, then I'll render an opinion .

Seems to me, Safety is first and foremost the responsibility of the user/handler.
Muzzle discipline is paramount. The most important "safety" is between your ears.

"Negligent handling can result in serious injury or death" is written in every owners manual for every firearm I own, regardless of who made it........... .

 

[talldragon]

I had a great response composed.........then internet explorer decided to wig out on me and dumped 20 mins. worth of work (I hunt n peck, not type).:banghead:

 

[WardenWolf]

Why oh why they don't just use a normal Mauser military safety design is beyond me. It doesn't take a genius to use the same mechanism but have a bent lever so it clears the scope, and still retain 2-position functionality.

 

[tarosean]

Ive got a 700 bdl laying out and a loaded 870 in my closet... maybe I should call the bomb squad to let me in my own home?

 

[Jackal1]

Remington's response regarding their 870 Shotgun:

http://www.respectremington.tv/pdf/Remington_NBC_Pre-Air_Release.pdf

http://www.respectremington.tv/#/home

 

[Chris-bob]

I watched the old report. After watching it with a few friends of mine, we all did our own research(not high tech, mind you) and decided better safe than sorry and swore off anything remington. Has nothing to do with anti-gun, and everything to do with anti-remington. Nothing different than those that refuse to own PCs, Hondas, Chevy, or whatever else brand you can think of(all examples of course).

 

[Skyshot]

There are probably more Remingtons afield than any other make, It would be interesting to see the accident rate per 1000 rifles compared to other manufacturers. I think NBC is on a witch hunt. What better than Remington to try to take down. All the people in the show did some foolish things that got themsleves or thier loved ones shot. We all know that dirt and neglect in the upkeep of firearms is a recipe for disaster.This is just a backdoor move for the goverment to step in and regulate manufacturing as NBC so stated in the beginning of the program. I just can't believe all the so called gun advocates who will swallow this, hook line and sinker. When Remington goes down who will be next? Do you think they're gonna stop there? I got news for you. Next it will be Ruger or Winchester or some other manufacturer. BTW, in 40 years of owning Remingtons, I've never had a problem, and of the many thousands of rifles my father sold that where Remingtons, I've never seen this type of problem. But I have heard of idiots that shoot themselves with just about every kind of gun made.

 

[talldragon]

After seeing the new story, it didn't seem terribly different from the one done by CNBC a few years ago.
Almost all the "victims" seem to have handled their weapons negligently. One gentleman even had his fingers blown off by resting his hand on the muzzle . Seriously? Muzzle discipline is paramount. The best "safety" is between your ears.
The story was waffling around the blame game, but sure did paint a negative image nonetheless.
I have never owned a Remington, but if I wasn't so broke right now, I would go buy one today. I've always wanted a an 870 pump .

 

[jmr40]

The problem with all Remington bolt actions is real. Anyone who refuses to believe so has their head buried in the sand.

The report on last nights program was factual and accurate, but left out some important details in my opinion. It should come as a surprise to no one that a gun could fire if dropped hard enough, and if it hits in a certain way. This is very common with many guns. Could the Remington fire control system be better?. Yes, and many other gun companies have better systems that can take much more abuse and still not fire.

The problem with Remington is that they have been caught in a decades old lie which they still refuse to admit. It makes anything they say questionable and has put them in the crosshairs.

Remington could do themselves a big favor as well as all gun owners. Just design a safe gun that does not fire unless you pull the trigger. It does not seem to be that difficult for most other manufacturers to do.

As stated in the program last night, there is currently no law where the government can regulate firearms. I'd like to keep it that way, but if Remington does not step up and make things right you can bet at some point there will be federal regulations that none of us want. Defending Remington at all costs is hurting us all. We, as gun owners and shooters should be demanding that they clean up their act for the good of us all.

 

[rajb123]

...the federal law specifically exempts firearms from legislation addressing "faulty" or "defective" products that are often required to be recalled, repaired, etc. , at the manufacturor's expense. In other words, under federal law, there is no such thing as a defective firearm.

Personnally, I would never own another Remington 700 with a Walker trigger.

 

[Skyshot]

The problem with all Remington bolt actions is real. Anyone who refuses to believe so has their head buried in the sand.

The report on last nights program was factual and accurate, but left out some important details in my opinion. It should come as a surprise to no one that a gun could fire if dropped hard enough, and if it hits in a certain way. This is very common with many guns. Could the Remington fire control system be better?. Yes, and many other gun companies have better systems that can take much more abuse and still not fire.

The problem with Remington is that they have been caught in a decades old lie which they still refuse to admit. It makes anything they say questionable and has put them in the crosshairs.

Remington could do themselves a big favor as well as all gun owners. Just design a safe gun that does not fire unless you pull the trigger. It does not seem to be that difficult for most other manufacturers to do.

As stated in the program last night, there is currently no law where the government can regulate firearms. I'd like to keep it that way, but if Remington does not step up and make things right you can bet at some point there will be federal regulations that none of us want. Defending Remington at all costs is hurting us all. We, as gun owners and shooters should be demanding that they clean up their act for the good of us all.

So you think Remington should replace every trigger made on every firearm sold since back in the forties. That would be real cost effective for a company.

 

[Swichblade]

Of course they have to say that his dreams of being a star football player were ruined.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

So you think Remington should replace every trigger made on every firearm sold since back in the forties. That would be real cost effective for a company.

Remington could have made the change to the 700 series gun for literally pennies per gun, but opted not to do so. They gambled with a crappy design that even its designer said needed to be modified. Remington blew off their chance to made the changes that would have been cost effective and have gotten caught publically with a design known to be problematic and millions paid out in lawsuits to cover them. If Remington was worried about being cost effective, then they should have made the change early on such that it was built into the manufacturing process. Retrofitting and retrofixing are always more expensive. Remington has made some bad choices.