Duty/Pocket combos

I'm a firm believer in the KISS principle, and would like to have weapons that have a similar MOA - preferably across both hands. Specifically in this case, I'm thinking about left-hand IWB carry for a duty or compact sized pistol, and pocket carry for a single-stack sub-compact in the right hip pocket.

What I want are a pair of options with:
*Same caliber
*Same trigger style (willing to substitute LDA for SFA)
*Same style controls: roughly same location, same options, same ambidexterity, same safety (or lack of safety). For example, the XDm and XDs both have right-hand-only slide stop, so they are similar.
*Duty or Compact size needs to be double-stack.

These options do not necessarily need to be the same brand, as long as they have similar features above.

I am aware that various incarnations of the 1911 would fit this bill, as well as (mentioned earlier) XDm and XDs.

M&P does not (Shield lacks certain ambi features), PPQ/PPS does not (same reason), although any of those has the potential to be half of the set if they match something else.

If any part of my question isn't clear, please ask for clarification and I'll try to reword it. Basically, I'm looking for a double-stack pistol and a single-stack pistol that - aside from the physical size of the gun and the capacity - are essentially the same, and that if I am trained on one, it will be very easy to transition to the other.

ETA: I guess the Glock series would work as well, the G21/30/36 specifically.

I already mentioned why the M&P and Shield do not match.

Well I was hoping for some ideas...looks like I'll be spending some time in excel in the near-ish future doing a spreadsheet.

Yeah, Kahr is DAO. I haven't shot one personally, but I would assume the trigger pull would be heavier. I'm willing to consider LDA (light double action) and striker fired pistols to be about the same, but a DAO is a different animal.

I'm with you on that, Jerry, although one of the moderaters here made a good case for having a manual safety. Not enough of an issue for me to switch my philosophy entirely, but I'm now open to the idea of it. However, if I have a manual safety on one pistol, I want my other carry guns to be similar, so it is a similar MOA when operating them. That way I'm always doing things the same.

I went with Access over Excel, I'm looking through several different manufacturer's currently produced options, then I'll run some queries and do some sorting. I'm not looking at 1911s in this list, though, because I already know they'll work for this (just because they'll work doesn't mean I've decided to use them) and because I think with their trigger, I want to keep them separate.

I'm not an undecover cop, so printing isn't an issue and although the size of the G26 has some disadvantages they are worth the effort.

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Not even sure why it would be an issue for a UC cop. Many of the gangs they infiltrate would carry anyway, no?

I agree that a lot of guns besides the single stack can be used as a pocket pistol, in fact I have a pocket holster for my XDm compact. However, I have decided I want something a bit smaller. I can always get a sub-compact, a slimline, and a compact/duty pistol and alternate between what I carry depending on mood.

What I've come to realize after looking at some stuff (although I still have more to go through) is I'm likely to make my decision starting with a pocket pistol, and then selecting a duty pistol that has similar characteristics.

Reversible magazine release is NOT ambidextrous. Manufacturers say it is, but it really lets you choose between which hand. A magazine release which does not require reversal to be used by left or right hands IS ambidextrous.

I'm also not excluding things from the list because they don't have a certain feature. I am only including combinations which have the same features. So if a certain pair doesn't have the same features, that isn't a pair I will consider. That's not to say that I won't consider either of those individual weapons paired with something that does have similar features.

Luckily there are a lot of platforms that excel in the reliability department. Also, all "100% reliable platforms" have lemons in those models. Like I said, I'm doing a DB in Access to look at what options are out there, and then I'll look at what matches up with different single-stacks.

I was briefly considering breaking my caliber rule to go with a FiveseveN for the duty pistol, until I looked at where they put the safety on it. I'm not willing to break my MOA rule.

I feel that for something going on my belt, I might as well get something with capacity. For something in my pocket, capacity = weight and is actually something I want to keep down.

LC-9 has a manual safety, CZ223.

Are you going to be carrying on the job or are you just interested in a duty type/style of gun?

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Duty type/style. I literally can't carry at work (federal property).

I ended up narrowing it down to a few options. I took out those with a DAO trigger (they didn't have the ambi features I wanted anyway), took out those with less ambi features than similar options (i.e. took out Glock in favor of XD/Caracal because the later has ambi mag release instead of reversible), and took out the options that I decided the single stacks were a tad too tall.

Ended up narrowing it down to 1911s (double-stack and a 3") or XDm/Caracal+XDs. Due to price, and a perceived lack of benefit for my application, I've decided to go with the plastic option.