NY Gun Owners Threatening Non-Compliance With New Gun Control Laws

That's awesome. If nobody obeys, the law is pretty much useless. Kinda like Prohibition. I feel like this is really what we need to end the idiocy.

This will be interesting to watch.

prohibition is an interesting thing to bring up. Massive non enforcement, massive non-compliance.

While obviously the RKBA and prohibition have nothing to do with each other, just interesting to think that the American people have resisted laws on such a massive scale before.

Defiance by not turning them in is one thing. I doubt thered be much door to door confiscation. Problem is they become closely guarded secret safe queens. Take em too the range, somone calls the cops and you're nailed. Sure you may get away with keeping them, but how do you use em unless at LEAST local and county le is onboard with non-enforcement?

Hell yeah.

This is how it's done, folks. Pay attention, because this agenda will be coming soon to a State Near You.

Yeah well... what was that old Chinese curse? "May you live in interesting times..."

Zardaia,

You "get away with it" by open defiance.

We are going to have to nut-up or shut-up.

Mike

In a general sense, respect for the law is fundamental to liberty itself, but when a specific law or set of laws is clearly in conflict with our civil rights--when those who are in power and claim to represent the people defy both reason and an established right in order to promote their own agenda--then civil disobedience can also become fundamental to preserving liberty. Some laws just don't deserve any respect. Several state legislatures have been doing this preemptively with respect to potential new federal gun control laws, so nobody should be surprised if many thousands or even millions of law-abiding citizens take it upon themselves to act in accordance with their consciences and make a little exception.

To control the population, make them criminals. You don't have to go out and arrest them right away, just nail them with the new charges whenever you come in contact with them. After all, "It's against the law". The key element is the people who do the enforcing. If, the local Sheriff, or Chief of Police refuse to enforce the law, it becomes a moot point. On the other hand, if "Barney" has the tacit approval of his superiors, they can make life very difficult. Beware the local Prosecutor, if he's an attention whore, or seeks higher office, he will be your worst enemy.

It will be interesting to see the state's response to mass non-compliance. Will they go to war with its citizens? What will their tactics be? How far will they go?

The thing is, A) if everyone does this, and enforcement becomes unpopular (particularly upstate) then the law loses its teeth and B) someone, somewhere will get poached on the way out of the range, and then get a lot of help running their case up the flag pole on the way to (knock on wood and common usage) getting tossed. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to be that guy, but I'd chip in a month's worth of overpriced lattes to the defense fund, and to say that I wouldn't be the only one is an understatement.

The present leader's support organization may decide to use the same tactic they did against Sarah Palin.
They wanted their supporters to dig up dirt on Sarah and send it to them so they could smear her.

The dear leader is getting the same bunch fired up to pound on gun supporting Congress and Senate members.

Do think this same network would not be used to report gun owners?

I am pleased to see that NYers have not all lost their huevos. When the deck is stacked in the favor of the oppressor, the rest of us have but three options...submit, flee or resist. Personally, I am too stubborn to submit and too old to run...

The way it works is the government will arrest several people and have a show trial. The victims will get max sentences.

Then the government will be so kind as to set a deadline for everyone else to turn in their guns.

Most protesters will fold, using the excuse, "I'm not going to put my family through this just so I can keep a AR".

And for the few that will put up some kind of resistance, hide their guns, etc, about half the US population (judging by the last election) are government/obama rats that will turn you in.

Welcome to the brave new world.

Ny Gun owners resist

We may be seeing the start of a nation wide rebellion if Obama does something similar

M2 Carbine said:

The way it works is the government will arrest several people and have a show trial. The victims will get max sentences.

Then the government will be so kind as to set a deadline for everyone else to turn in their guns.

Most protesters will fold, using the excuse, "I'm not going to put my family through this just so I can keep a AR".

And for the few that will put up some kind of resistance, hide their guns, etc, about half the US population (judging by the last election) are government/obama rats that will turn you in.

Welcome to the brave new world.

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But here's the thing...they've been making examples of criminals for centuries...has it stopped crime?

You have a valid point...many will submit, many will flee, some will resist and be made examples of....which will not only cause more to submit and more to flee, but also cause more to resist.

gbran said:

It will be interesting to see the state's response to mass non-compliance. Will they go to war with its citizens? What will their tactics be? How far will they go?

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A common tactic would be to very harshly and publicly make examples out of a few citizens, in order to scare the rest into compliance. It will go to court where it will be up to a jury to decide whether the person broke a worthy law. You read that right, I'm talking about jury nullification--if at least one person in each jury votes to acquit based on the contemptible nature of these laws and why they were passed, then these laws will lose their effect. What will actually happen is impossible to predict. All I can tell you is that it is possible for the people to destroy unjust laws IF they stand firm in sufficient numbers, and in that event no legislature or judge can stop them.

chipcom said:

But here's the thing...they've been making examples of criminals for centuries...has it stopped crime?

You have a valid point...many will submit, many will flee, some will resist and be made examples of....which will not only cause more to submit and more to flee, but also cause more to resist.

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Whose got the guts to be a martyr?

I've got a family, but what kind of world will my kids grow up in without me?

What kind of world is it that they'll have when there are no rights, or a government that oppresses them, with their father with his tail tucked sadly between the proverbial legs?

I'll fight.

chipcom said:

I am pleased to see that NYers have not all lost their huevos. When the deck is stacked in the favor of the oppressor, the rest of us have but three options...submit, flee or resist. Personally, I am too stubborn to submit and too old to run...

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I read that and at the end I swear I heard the sound of a shotgun being racked.

The way it works is the government will arrest several people and have a show trial. The victims will get max sentences.

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Or...the government will attempt to arrest several people for a show trial. S will HTF and...?

Take em too the range, somone calls the cops and you're nailed.

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For discussion purposes, how would anyone know if your AR is registered? Will you get a big, red star to put on the stock? Do you also think that anyone at the range would rat you out? I'd guess now would be the time to not show off your collection to your new neighbors but I'm guessing not many here do anyways. So, how would one be turned in for having an unregistered gun?? If your nosy, anti-gun neighbor asks if you registered it you'd tell her "of course, did you register yours?". Will they require ranges to see proof of registration to shoot there? Any thoughts on proof of registration?

It is not so simple.
Don't obey the registration law and you are asking for a world of hurt.

1) You will never be able to own a legal AR-15 type weapon in New York

2) You will not be able to shoot it in New York.

3) If possession of an unregistered gun is a felony, you could lose your 2nd Amendment rights in the entire USA forever.

4) If someone has a beef with you and knows what you are hiding under your bed or in your safe, they can ruin your life by ratting you out to the authorities. Persons in the middle of a nasty divorce or ex-spouses can get real nasty. Just ask the NJ cop whose wife knew he had an illegal Marlin 60 Assault Weapon. Yes, a Marlin 60. Conviction upheld on appeal.

I would not throw away my life to flip the bird to a politician who could not care less.

From the Utah Sheriffs to obama

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865571059/Utah-sheriffs-write-letter-to-Obama-opposing-executive-order-on-guns.html?pg=all

"No federal official will be permitted to descend upon our constituents and take from them what the Bill of Rights — in particular Amendment II — has given them," it states.

That is - interesting.

Good for them.