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I would explain to the host that I really can't be trusted with a kid and ask to turn him over for safekeeping.
Concealed Carry - Friend's House
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I would explain to the host that I really can't be trusted with a kid and ask to turn him over for safekeeping.
But how would they know if you’re carrying concealed?
I carry where legal; I don’t carry in a police station or courthouse, for example.
But it is lawful for me to carry in my state even if it runs contrary to the private property owner’s policy.
And the private property owner isn’t going to know because I’m carrying concealed.
If I use my gun in lawful self-defense while on that property, I’ll likely end up being trespassed; a small price I’m willing to pay.
There seems to be a recurring theme that although one is lawfully carrying concealed on someone’s private property, that it’s somehow being ‘dishonest’ or ‘disrespectful’ to the property owner to do so contrary to the property owner's wishes – a theme frankly devoid of merit.
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If I’m not drinking, I’m carrying. If the friend knows (I won’t tell) and is uncomfortable with me carrying in their place and asks, I’ll leave my gun in the car.
…or carry concealed and the homeowner will never know.
This seems to be an example of the being ‘dishonest’ or ‘disrespectful’ theme.
The question, therefore, is does one’s desire to be honest and respectful of private property owners’ wishes outweigh one’s desire for self-defense.
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I guess there could be a question if you’re in a state wherein you are obligated to inform the owner and seek consent by law. I lived in such a state for a while and was surprised when I mentioned it to an anti gun buddy I had at the time and he said “no problem” without even a second thought. Guess that was more of a sign of trust to me than anything else
… and one would want to comply with the law in good faith no matter how unenforceable that law might me.
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I do try to be law abiding as much as I can
Atavar
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Yep. Some people have no respect. This goes right along with the other current theme of unvaccinated people visiting with the attitude “It’s none of their business” even when they know the host family is vaccinated and Covid aware. A lot of people have the I’ll do what I want and I don’t care about your rights attitude.
I am not casting aspersions, just an observation.
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..... and the shoe drops.
I conceal carry smaller more concealable guns and I carry everywhere. If a gun is truly concealed no one will ever know you are carrying!
I was going out with my girl friend for 3 months before she knew I carried. Snuggling on the couch or being even closer she had no idea. When I told her I always carried she liked the security of me doing so and actually appreciates that I carry. That was over 12 years ago and she still very occasionally asks me if I am carrying when we are in a weird place or out in the middle of no where.
If a gun can be spotted accidentally I don't consider it properly concealed.
I am not reckless with any of my firearms, especially not ones I am carrying so little kids make no difference to me. If a little kid can contact my carry weapon even when playing around I am doing something WRONG.... VERY WRONG!!!!
I am lucky enough to have a large selection of carry guns to choose from so I always have the right carry gun for the occasion.
Dinner at a family or friends house I will usually pocket carry my DB9 or LCP depending on the pants I am wearing. I usually only carry larger pistols when I go into the big city... where I appreciate a .45acp.
P.S. My family has no clue that I have been carrying for the past 25+ years (huh, I guess it is closer to 30 years these days) and they really don't have any need to know.
I was going out with my girl friend for 3 months before she knew I carried. Snuggling on the couch or being even closer she had no idea. When I told her I always carried she liked the security of me doing so and actually appreciates that I carry. That was over 12 years ago and she still very occasionally asks me if I am carrying when we are in a weird place or out in the middle of no where.
If a gun can be spotted accidentally I don't consider it properly concealed.
I am not reckless with any of my firearms, especially not ones I am carrying so little kids make no difference to me. If a little kid can contact my carry weapon even when playing around I am doing something WRONG.... VERY WRONG!!!!
I am lucky enough to have a large selection of carry guns to choose from so I always have the right carry gun for the occasion.
Dinner at a family or friends house I will usually pocket carry my DB9 or LCP depending on the pants I am wearing. I usually only carry larger pistols when I go into the big city... where I appreciate a .45acp.
P.S. My family has no clue that I have been carrying for the past 25+ years (huh, I guess it is closer to 30 years these days) and they really don't have any need to know.
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This completely misses the point. It not a matter whether they know or not. It’s a matter of respect. A man’s home is their castle and neither you nor I have any business deciding what should or shouldn’t be okay in another man’s house.
If you know someone wouldn’t be okay with something going on in there house you shouldn’t do that thing in their house. Whether that be smoking, loving or carrying or anything else for that matter.
it’s just a matter of respect.
I don't recall any indication that the son in law knew or was told guns were not to be carried in OP's home. As noted in the quote above, OP doesn't carry in another person's home, so seems to be of the mind that no one should. OP seems to consider it to be a matter of etiquette, but of course etiquette is something that is taught, not instinctive.
I don't believe there is or should be a presumption that guns are prohibited in the home of another. Unless I am notified that this is the case, It is not reasonable to assume that the homeowner, who apparently carries concealed at least part of the time, prohibits concealed carry in OPs home. If the homeowner prefers that guests not carry, the burden is on them to inform guests ahead of time and the guest can decide to comply or not attend. Unless the homeowner stipulates in advance, no harm no foul.
I will refrain from discussing the issue of carrying when asked not to do so, as that does not respond to the question posed by the OP.
sign216
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I posted this as an etiquette question. Like Atavar's quote above, when entering another's house, I take off my hat, don't carry a gun, and if I'm wearing hob-nailed boots, (do they still make those?) I take those off too.
My son-in-law (SIL) and I aren't close. We are cordial, but don't pal around. But it doesn't matter. I wouldn't carry in my son's house either.
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At what point does the etiquette stop or the item change? And what drives it when it does?
I don't know what that means.
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Considering all the vaccinated folks I know that came down sick with covid in the last three weeks, me included, things we were told before have turned on their head. Unfortunately, this proves to me that if a homeowner doesn't want covid in their home they better have rapid tests given at the front door and an outside sitting area to wait for the results.
Kinda goes back to advance notice to guests that some have mentioned. "Covid tests and guns checked at the front door, please." Speaking of which, my elderly mom did put up covid type signage on her front door and side gate starting back in 2020.
I pretty much know which of my family members are anti-gun, and know that carrying in their home would greatly upset them. So either I don't carry there or I don't go there, but they can come to my house if they keep their yappers off politics.
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At what point does an item or anything fall out of the etiquette category or definition?
Is a gun taboo, but a pocket knife not? If the knife is, what about a belt with a big heavy buckle? At what point are you not offended by what I wear or carry?
I might comply and do everything you ask, and ditch everything and anything that offends you, and still be a very real threat to you. What then? Trim my finger and toenails?
Guess maybe Id best not come over, eh?
Whats really unfortunate here is, we have become a nation of worriers, whiners, and hand wringers. Every little thing seems to offend "someone", and often for the silliest or slightest of reasons.
If you dont like how I dress and what goes with it, or how I talk or act, etc, that's all on you. Chances are, we wouldn't be associating anyway, simply because I wouldn't put up with it. Theres plenty of aggravation going around as it is, dont need any of yours. Lifes to short.
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Trackskippy, it depends on your relationship to people in general, and how you carry. I'm in New England, where people are naturally a little cool to each other. I can imagine others though, that are warm and close.
In carrying; I don't carry in my own house. I've got a pistol on my desk, which is enough for me. But I know some people always keep a gun physically on them, even in their own house.
OP , Your objectivity is in question.
Would you object if an old and trusted friend were to carry concealed in your house?
Are you simply opposed to anyone carrying on your property? If so , why?
If , in fact , it is your intention to disallow CC in your home by any and all persons you need to find a way to communicate that. You are well within your rights in doing so.
Well - That is undeniably true!
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I carry everywhere, from the time I get up until I go to bed. A metal detector or pat down would be the only place I wouldn't.
Relationships really have no bearing on it. I dont care if you like it or not, its none of your concern, and unless something untoward were to happen, you'll likely never know anyway.
I just dont see this being any kind of a problem, other than some seem to want to make it one.
chicharrones
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I've actually come across people that have asked me, "What do you need a knife for?" To which I may respond, "What else are you going to open your Amazon packages with?".
Seems like many folks think if they don't use something, the same should apply to everyone else. I guess I should carry scissors to appease the anti-knife people.
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