CoalCrackerAl
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I like T.G for plated and jacketed. This post motivated me to load some 9mm today, 
9MM & TITEGROUP
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CoalCrackerAl
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I got them done. About 250 rounds. Finished off an open box of xtreme 9mm 115 grain,.
Saluki91
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File this under "Free advice is worth what you paid"...Hi! 1st post.
Titegroup is a temperamental mistress. It burns fast, and charges are already quite small. I wouldn't toy with light loads... stick to 3.9gn as a starting point, and weigh your charges meticulously. By all means, use Titegroup if it is your only option. However, you might be well served to cut your teeth with something else.
Even in these lean times, I have seen the following powders consistently on shelves or online. Any would be fine choices for your first foray:
WIN231/HP38 (same powder)
WIN244
WSF
Autocomp
Unique
Bullseye
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P Flados
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In a revolver, you can load really light loads in the 9mm with TG and they shoot fine. In an auto, it is a good idea to "work down" with your loads until you start getting either function problems or failure to lock back on the last round. It is good to know what the minimum acceptable charge is for good function with your bullet / AOL / gun combination. Then get all the data you can to figure out your best guess for book max with your bullet and AOL. Unless you really need to push things, staying a little less than book max but well above the minimum for good function is nice place to be.
I load a lot of coated cast 120s over 4.3 gr of TG. They work great in 4 Glock style guns (one G 19 frame, several "build from parts"). This is 0.1 gr less than the Hodgdon max for a standard pressure 9mm with a 125 FMJ. Also my load has less seating depth than the Hodgdon load. Since all three key controllable parameters (charge weight, bullet weight, seating depth) push my load in the direction of lower pressures, I consider it just a tad under book max. When I first worked up TG with this bullet, the lowest I could go with good function was down around 3.5 gr.
Note that because TG has a lower load density, it is a little less sensitive to OAL changes or variations in case capacity than powders with a higher load density. Although a double charge is possible, I consider the risk to be "no more than typical" when loading with a single stage press and a loading block. I went into the reloading room and did one on purpose to demonstrate.
I load a lot of coated cast 120s over 4.3 gr of TG. They work great in 4 Glock style guns (one G 19 frame, several "build from parts"). This is 0.1 gr less than the Hodgdon max for a standard pressure 9mm with a 125 FMJ. Also my load has less seating depth than the Hodgdon load. Since all three key controllable parameters (charge weight, bullet weight, seating depth) push my load in the direction of lower pressures, I consider it just a tad under book max. When I first worked up TG with this bullet, the lowest I could go with good function was down around 3.5 gr.
Note that because TG has a lower load density, it is a little less sensitive to OAL changes or variations in case capacity than powders with a higher load density. Although a double charge is possible, I consider the risk to be "no more than typical" when loading with a single stage press and a loading block. I went into the reloading room and did one on purpose to demonstrate.
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Cliff6
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That's a great picture. I always throw a double charge on purpose when I start just to see if I COULD throw one and not notice it. I think that in this case, it would be pretty difficult to miss.
Most of the advice I've seen here has been pretty good and referenced published data. If a loader is careful and follows published data and understands what he is doing, there should be no problem. If you are experimenting....well, please don't stand too close to me at the range
Most of the advice I've seen here has been pretty good and referenced published data. If a loader is careful and follows published data and understands what he is doing, there should be no problem. If you are experimenting....well, please don't stand too close to me at the range
WeekendReloader
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I am thankful that Hodgdon published loads with a deeper seating depth (shorter OAL). My Walther PPQ has a short chamber and bullets with a fatter ogive need to be seated deeper in order to chamber. I seat my LEE 356-125-2R at 1.085" and my LEE 356-120-TC at 1.060". Both function great and are quite accurate.
The published shorter OAL gave me a good reference to safely work up loads for these bullets.
Blue68f100
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Though double change may be easy to see, TG does not need that much change to go into KBoom mode. Bullet setback with a charge near the top is all that is required. A 0.1 gr change can make a difference if your at the top end.
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OP said he was experienced reloading shotshells so not exactly a noob. As it's been explained to me, reloading shotgun is like pastry compared to savory in cooking: more science vs. more craft. If he’s at all accomplished at shotshell reloading then every warning about following recipes is old-hat. Shotshell loaders seem to be a bit compulsive about following recipes to the letter.
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P Flados
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Are you implying that TG is any worse than other powders for pressure increase due to setback? If so what is your basis. I use Quickload a lot and find it very good for evaluating this sort of thing. I ran TG and a handful of other powders through to see what a 0.015" setback (from 1.060" to 0.045") with my bullet would do for pressure increase. Of everything it tried, TG had the lowest increase. As I previously noted, powders with low load density are less sensitive to changes in AOL or case capacity.
Code:
1.060" 1.045" Increase
TG 35441 37951 2510
Bullseye 35821 38468 2647
Universal 35526 38181 2655
WW 231 35547 38268 2721
N 340 34661 37710 3049
HS-6 35097 38472 3375
AA 5 36085 39473 3388
Longshot 36060 39469 3409
AA 7 35527 40476 4949
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tightgroup tiger
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I agree, It's no different than using Bullseye which is also 40% nitroglycerine and the same burn rate.
And Red Dot/Promo burns even faster.
A few careless reloaders have accidents with overcharging their loads or sloppy practice with neck tension, and get on the internet and try to claim it's the powders fault.
Heaven forbid, it couldn't be their fault.
Then word of their accident spreads like fire because people just love to play the blame game without any facts, so it spreads and keeps getting repeated by people with little or no experience with it.
One thing that is not a myth is Titegroup does heat your gun faster than slower powders, but it's still right on par with Bullseye but burns cleaner.
But it all comes down to if your not comfortable using powders like Red Dot, Titegroup, Bullseye, and so on then don't use them.
I've been using Titegroup for over 15 yrs and and probably 75k rounds and have never noticed anything out of the ordinary, that doesn't occur with any other powder except that it does, definitely heat up your barrel faster than a slower burning powder will.
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