9MM & TITEGROUP

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4.0 gr Titegroup under 124 gr Extreme RN Is what I loaded up a few days ago. Shot them in My 365 Sig. this morning. Good plinking load in My gun.

I shoot 3.8 and 4.1 gr of Titegroup with 124 gr bullets also. In fact I load the 4.1 gr with 124gr bullets by the thousands. Recoil is still pretty mild out of my Shield.
Try 5.5-5.7gr of BE-86 under a 124 gr bullet out of a Shield. Now you getting to where it isn't fun to shoot anymore.
 
I don't know, it kinda makes me uneasy that a lot of people here are giving out the loads they use to a new reloader using a fast burning powder. I'm in no way saying your loads are unsafe. I think the best advice has already been given, Hodgdon website for reloading data, and be careful not to double charge. I bought a pound of Titegroup to try and I have used it all up and probably will not be buying more. I have never liked fast burning powders. I don't care for the snap when shooting them. I prefer a push and I normally use medium burning powders (AA #5, BE86, etc.) I've been loading since 1996 and have only used one pound of Bullseye for the same reason. OP, please use published reloading data, watch for double charges, work slow and please be careful.
 
I don't know, it kinda makes me uneasy that a lot of people here are giving out the loads they use to a new reloader using a fast burning powder. I'm in no way saying your loads are unsafe
Understandable, but also realize when many folks advise matches up, he's on a much better path that floundering alone. Readers generally know who to listen to, doesn't take long to sort the crowd out if one is paying attention. Kind of like searching utube, you throw out the chaff, but learn to recognize good advise when it repeats its sources from multiple sources.
 
I think the best advice has already been given, Hodgdon website for reloading data

Unfortunately, the Hodgdon data does not directly correlate to what the OP is trying to load... and that was part of the OP's initial question. Anecdotal input from someone familiar with the OP's situation can help, including my input from another manual (Speer.)
 
Hi! 1st post. :) I have 500 bullets by Everglades. 115gr rn plated v2 (heavy plated, their web site). I also have some Hodgdon Titegroup. Is there a recipe for light loads, just for plinking at the range? First gen Shield. Searched internet can't find an exact match. New to pistol reloading, all my experiance is shotgun shells and even w/that its been years. Looks like I picked a pretty bad time to get into this, no primers or much powder to choose from. A friend gave me an old Rock Chucker (70th b-day) so very therapeutic. Anyway any help would be great. Thanks.
1. Welcome Aboard ! and welcome to the world of metallic reloading.

2. Unlike shotgun reloading, you are not stuck with a specific hull/wad/shot formula. You can freely make some substitutions*. For 115gr "thick plating" you can use the data from any same weight bullet, and because the plating is thick you should use the data for 115gr FMJ. (If they were thinly plated, then use 115gr lead data.) This is "generally understood" and is why you won't find an exact load listed.

3. You can freely make some substitutions. BUT, the BIG caveat is this.... you must begin at the Starting Load and work your way up in small increments !! All guns are different. All bullets are different. All barrels are different. No one can tell you about your exact load, because no one but you is using that specific combination of ingredients.

4. Now here is another HUGE word of warning. 9mm Luger is an extremely high pressure cartridge, and therefore small changes in bullet seating make BIG differences in the resulting chamber pressure. I'd prefer you to start with 38Spcl or 45ACP (which have half the chamber pressure), but it is what it is.

5. As if Warning #3 and #4 weren't enough... Your choice of powders is not great. Titegroup is one of the faster powders. As such it has a VERY narrow load window (typically 0.4gr from Min to Max) and so it must be measured with extreme care. Now some users are going to follow this post and poo-poo this statement. They will tell you that they have been using Titegroup in 9mm for XX years. But their skill level is not your skill level. And their equipment setup is not your equipment. And they have XX years of reloading notes to look back on which are not in your notebook.


All I'm saying is: 1. go slow, 2. begin at the Starting Load and work up in 0.1gr increments, 3. "zero" your scale with care, 4. please be careful, and 5. take good notes.
 
I don't know, it kinda makes me uneasy that a lot of people here are giving out the loads they use to a new reloader using a fast burning powder. I'm in no way saying your loads are unsafe. I think the best advice has already been given, Hodgdon website for reloading data, and be careful not to double charge. I bought a pound of Titegroup to try and I have used it all up and probably will not be buying more. I have never liked fast burning powders. I don't care for the snap when shooting them. I prefer a push and I normally use medium burning powders (AA #5, BE86, etc.) I've been loading since 1996 and have only used one pound of Bullseye for the same reason. OP, please use published reloading data, watch for double charges, work slow and please be careful.

These are published loads. I only use published load data as I have no chrono.
 
Op is wore out i bet and left. All the safety, referring to multiple reloading discussions here and such are overkill. He asked for simple advice and titegroup tiger nailed it.

A 70 year young gentleman is just looking for simple concise advice.

As far as offering advice and data online I truly enjoy reading it and comparing to manuals and making my decision. Loading a minimum load until slide locks back and increasing .1 is just silly and bad advice.
 
I cringe when a new reloader starts off with Titegroup and 9mm! It's a dense fast powder and can really go over pressure with small amounts.
It is a very fast powder, 9mm is very small and bullet depth makes a big difference.

Do you have a manual? If not you need one Several
Calipers? Digital
What kind of scale and powder measure? Lyman Digital

Yes, we were all new once, do lots of research before loading anything!

https://hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/burn-rate-color.pdf
 
Op is wore out i bet and left. All the safety, referring to multiple reloading discussions here and such are overkill. He asked for simple advice and titegroup tiger nailed it.

A 70 year young gentleman is just looking for simple concise advice.

As far as offering advice and data online I truly enjoy reading it and comparing to manuals and making my decision. Loading a minimum load until slide locks back and increasing .1 is just silly and bad advice.

Lol!! Nope still here! Seriously though all advice is good, I will sort through, find a consensus and start there. Thanks for looking out for me. ;)
 
Understandable, but also realize when many folks advise matches up, he's on a much better path that floundering alone. Readers generally know who to listen to, doesn't take long to sort the crowd out if one is paying attention. Kind of like searching utube, you throw out the chaff, but learn to recognize good advise when it repeats its sources from multiple sources.

Wish I could give 100 likes! You are right on target.
 
Lol!! Nope still here! Seriously though all advice is good, I will sort through, find a consensus and start there. Thanks for looking out for me. ;)
Well, unlike some folks I’m not going to pounce you for using TiteGroup. It’s a good semiautomatic cartridge powder - some folks even think it’s a good all around powder. I don’t agree but it’s a valid opinion and I prefer to keep my peace on that. One thing you might encounter is scorched looking cases. Don’t worry, TiteGroup burns a little hot and it’s a fast powder so it will heat up and discolor cases at the mouth at low pressure. It cleans right off and doesn’t hurt the cases one bit. TiteGroup Tigger gave some good advice and I’d be tempted, if it was me, to send him a message and strike up a convo. There’s some pretty smart fellers here. Best regards
 
You guys have been the best! My takeaway is "You'll shoot your eye out, kid!” :) Will Start w/3.8GR w/a COL 1.130 seems a safe to starting point. With my single stage rock chucker and going slow and easy I should be good. I will also zero my scale and calipers. Thanks again.
 
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You guys have been the best! My takeaway is "You'll shoot your eye out, kid!” :) Will Start w/3.8GR w/a COL 130 seems a safe to starting point. With my single stage rock chucker and going slow and easy I should be good. I will also zero my sale and calipers. Thanks again.

If your near me I will set you up with some WSF, a more forgiving powder that is great for the 9mm.
 
You guys have been the best! My takeaway is "You'll shoot your eye out, kid!” :) Will Start w/3.8GR w/a COL 130 seems a safe to starting point. With my single stage rock chucker and going slow and easy I should be good. I will also zero my scale and calipers. Thanks again.

Whoa....maybe I'm reading that wrong, but..... The 3.8 gr should be okay, Hodgdon shows 3.9 gr starting point. Not a big deal there. But are you saying you are going to load at 1.300"? That is mighty long. Hodgdon shows OAL of 1.100". You might double check your data and make up a dummy load first. Try the "plunk test" in you barrel. At 1.300", I don't think you will get a good "plunk".....or crimp.
 
Whoa....maybe I'm reading that wrong, but..... The 3.8 gr should be okay, Hodgdon shows 3.9 gr starting point. Not a big deal there. But are you saying you are going to load at 1.300"? That is mighty long. Hodgdon shows OAL of 1.100". You might double check your data and make up a dummy load first. Try the "plunk test" in you barrel. At 1.300", I don't think you will get a good "plunk".....or crimp.
Tightgroup Tiger (pg1) is using pretty much identical to what I have and thats what he is using. Still will be doing a plunk test. Oops 1.130. :)
 
Whoa....maybe I'm reading that wrong, but..... The 3.8 gr should be okay, Hodgdon shows 3.9 gr starting point. Not a big deal there. But are you saying you are going to load at 1.300"? That is mighty long. Hodgdon shows OAL of 1.100". You might double check your data and make up a dummy load first. Try the "plunk test" in you barrel. At 1.300", I don't think you will get a good "plunk".....or crimp.

That's a pretty good catch... but the devil is in the details. You will note the charges for that load are quite a bit lower than the charges for the other 115grn load. They are using a smaller charge with a deeper seated bullet to achieve similar velocities. Why did Hodgdon do that? Who knows. But if you cross reference other available data, like in the Speer #14, you will see a typical seating depth of around 1.130" for a 115grn FMJ or plated RN bullet. You are correct, however... the first thing to do before loading a bunch up is make a test round or two and see if it will plunk in your particular barrel.
 
HTG is an ideal powder for lite soft reloads in 9mm. It's fast enough for efficient burn especially in short barrels. The lower percentage of case fill for liter loads may affect some powders but HTG seems to be less position sensitive.

I haven't done an official survey but just my casual observation that HTG might just be the most popular powder in 9mm.

Smiles,
 
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