Snake Eyes
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Oleg,
I think you're nucking futs.
I give it a week.
I think you're nucking futs.
I give it a week.
An experiment un-censored expression.
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1911Tuner
Moderator Emeritus
Cussin' on the Board
Although I'd like to see some censorship for certain words, I would like to be able to say "Bastard Mill File" without havin' it all ****ed up <---like that...
or having to type it out in typical errornet style. i.e. bastige/bassturd/bastid, etc. Maybe a filter set to recognize certain phrases with or accompanying words that make the key word acceptable in mixed company.
Most of us are able to express ourselves without resorting to excessive profanity...but there are a few who would stretch the inch into the proverbial mile if given a free hand.
Examples come to mind:
"Make an ass/jackass out of..." probably okay. "They can kiss my ass"...probably not.
"Screwed up" Yes. F**ked up...No. Too many kids, ladies AND gents who don't appreciate it in public...even though many of us use it on occasion at home and amongst friends.
"Damn/Damned" is okay if used in conjucntion with a description, as in:
That was damn good coffee ya brewed up, there Tooner." Or...That was some damn fine shootin', guys!" Every other sentence in a rant...Nah.
There are others, but ya'll get the drift.
Not a prude, understand. I sometimes use language that would scald the paint off of a cruise missle...too often maybe...but I've come to think of The High Road as a sterling example of who and what gun owners and enthusiasts are, and how we represent ourselves on a public discussion board that can be viewed by millions could well cause a few fence-sitters or even antis to rethink their opinions...and that's always a good thing.
Just my 2% of a buck.
Although I'd like to see some censorship for certain words, I would like to be able to say "Bastard Mill File" without havin' it all ****ed up <---like that...
or having to type it out in typical errornet style. i.e. bastige/bassturd/bastid, etc. Maybe a filter set to recognize certain phrases with or accompanying words that make the key word acceptable in mixed company.
Most of us are able to express ourselves without resorting to excessive profanity...but there are a few who would stretch the inch into the proverbial mile if given a free hand.
Examples come to mind:
"Make an ass/jackass out of..." probably okay. "They can kiss my ass"...probably not.
"Screwed up" Yes. F**ked up...No. Too many kids, ladies AND gents who don't appreciate it in public...even though many of us use it on occasion at home and amongst friends.
"Damn/Damned" is okay if used in conjucntion with a description, as in:
That was damn good coffee ya brewed up, there Tooner." Or...That was some damn fine shootin', guys!" Every other sentence in a rant...Nah.
There are others, but ya'll get the drift.
Not a prude, understand. I sometimes use language that would scald the paint off of a cruise missle...too often maybe...but I've come to think of The High Road as a sterling example of who and what gun owners and enthusiasts are, and how we represent ourselves on a public discussion board that can be viewed by millions could well cause a few fence-sitters or even antis to rethink their opinions...and that's always a good thing.
Just my 2% of a buck.
sturmruger
Member
I think it is worth trying, I will do my part to keep things on a even keel.
The only problem I have with a word filter is that it can filter out legitimate words because it thinks they are "naughty" words.
1911Tuner mentioned "bastard" file.
How can we "cock" the hammer on a pistol with a word filter?
What about taking our "bitch" (gun dog) hunting?
I'm sure there are a few more examples. I only notice them when they pop up on boards. Not being to cock a pistol on gun boards really irritates me.
1911Tuner mentioned "bastard" file.
How can we "cock" the hammer on a pistol with a word filter?
What about taking our "bitch" (gun dog) hunting?
I'm sure there are a few more examples. I only notice them when they pop up on boards. Not being to cock a pistol on gun boards really irritates me.
PlayboyPenguin
member
Does this mean we can say boobies now? 
Aguila Blanca
Member
I predict a decline in originality as a result.
Over at the M1911.ORG forum, where I am a moderator, we also use a naughty word filter. Despite being informed clearly from the moment of registering that foul language is not tolerated, it seems some people don't understand, and think that using the banned words with "creative" spellings somehow makes it all okay.
I've seen the same phenomenon here. Once people catch on that they don't have to creatively misspell the naughty words, I expect we'll just slide back into the gutter ... until you are forced to turn on the filter again.
Anyone care to start up a pool on how long it will take?
Over at the M1911.ORG forum, where I am a moderator, we also use a naughty word filter. Despite being informed clearly from the moment of registering that foul language is not tolerated, it seems some people don't understand, and think that using the banned words with "creative" spellings somehow makes it all okay.
I've seen the same phenomenon here. Once people catch on that they don't have to creatively misspell the naughty words, I expect we'll just slide back into the gutter ... until you are forced to turn on the filter again.
Anyone care to start up a pool on how long it will take?
That's one solution.
Why bother with disabling the filter at all? Offense at swearing is entirely relative. If the concern is people going "too far", where is that line drawn? If the immediate recourse to LawDog's (or Art's, or Oleg's, etc) personal offense at the use or overuse of profanity is banning, wouldn't it be better for all to simply leave the filter in place?
Almost seems to me like "ban bait".
"Now you can say these words, but if you say them too much (per our completely arbitrary and relative standards) you are subject to an immediate and irrevocable ban."
Swearing is a lot like a religious discussion. Some people can't see it at all without taking personal offense. Others can get heartily involved with a smile and no hard feelings. I'm sad to say it, but profanity isn't something that is going to be self-enforced in an open forum like this, especially one based on expressionless, text-only communication.
Polish up your ban buttons. They're going to see a lot of use.
Is this the official policy of the forum?
If so, I have a big problem with that.
If that is going to be the case, why bother turning the filter off?
If you are turning the filter off, that means you are expecting, and allowing, the use of profanity in some circumstances. Those circumstances are not currently defined.
If you start banning people, without warning, because they got "stupid" with the profanity, how do the forum members honestly know where the line between "acceptable" and "stupid" is?
I don't think the mods saying "I know stupid when I see it" is going to be an acceptable answer because there is too much subjectivity in that standard. If the rules are to be respected and followed, they need to be applied fairly. A subjective standard has more potential to be unfair than an objective standard.
Oleg, just turn the Damn thing back on and be done with it. It would be nice if it was "tweaked" a little, but for what you want for this forum turning it off is going to cause more problems than leaving it on.
Oleg Volk
Moderator Emeritus
I think that each person here is smart enough to figure out what swearing is necessary to the narrative or the discussion and what isn't. "Getting stupid" isn't as easy as you thing -- you have to work at it or have real talent at idiocy. Somehow, people manage to swear and to express strong feelings in other ways at my real-world gatherings without weirding out the more sheltered or sensitive guests.
If you want rules, we can write the rules that would look like the federal register and be about as comprehensible. I am suggesting that the same folks who can be trusted with guns can also be expected to have good enough judgement in shootin goff their mouths. Personally, I bite my tongue daily when I wish to say something about certain members or about certain politicians that would be eaither rude or threatening or otherwise inadvisable. If I can learn self-discipline, so can others. The exceptions will have to find another, more boisterous/less prissy foruum.
The reason for all this is that THR exists to propagate technical knowledge and certain range of ethical values. Foul language within would compromise that mission. Look at wikipedia -- they manage to conduct their affairs without much cussing. We ought to be able to do so also.
If you want rules, we can write the rules that would look like the federal register and be about as comprehensible. I am suggesting that the same folks who can be trusted with guns can also be expected to have good enough judgement in shootin goff their mouths. Personally, I bite my tongue daily when I wish to say something about certain members or about certain politicians that would be eaither rude or threatening or otherwise inadvisable. If I can learn self-discipline, so can others. The exceptions will have to find another, more boisterous/less prissy foruum.
The reason for all this is that THR exists to propagate technical knowledge and certain range of ethical values. Foul language within would compromise that mission. Look at wikipedia -- they manage to conduct their affairs without much cussing. We ought to be able to do so also.
Trebor - again, as I said to Zundfolge, words such as you listed have always been allowed. Even Tuner's "bastard" file has always been allowed.
Do you seriously recall any conversations about 1911's being kept ****ed and locked? A simple search for the past month in Autoloaders alone, I find 26 posts with the word "cock" in them, and those instances are for the whole word only, not "cocked" or "halfcock", etc.
Let's get real folks, the list of words that the filter watched for is very short and very obvious. Even George Carlin's list is longer than the one we have.
Oleg already knows my thoughts on this matter. Let's see how it goes without further ado or stressing out about it.
Do you seriously recall any conversations about 1911's being kept ****ed and locked? A simple search for the past month in Autoloaders alone, I find 26 posts with the word "cock" in them, and those instances are for the whole word only, not "cocked" or "halfcock", etc.
Let's get real folks, the list of words that the filter watched for is very short and very obvious. Even George Carlin's list is longer than the one we have.
Oleg already knows my thoughts on this matter. Let's see how it goes without further ado or stressing out about it.
Tinman357
Member
I didn't....
I never realized you had a filter. Then again I try not to post anything unless it's useful stuff......
I never realized you had a filter. Then again I try not to post anything unless it's useful stuff......
brandyspaw
Member
Can I still say bad words like............................Hillary Clinton?
KriegHund
Member
I've used cuss words on occasion here, but i always censored them myself. Didnt know we had an automatic censor.
Most just things like da**** b*****ds at the BATFE...
Most just things like da**** b*****ds at the BATFE...
sm
member
Personally I am in favor of this Social Experiment.
Newer folks may not be aware of the fact THR came about after TFL closed down for a bit. TFL set the bar for all internet gun forums. Rich challenged all of us TFL members to not just continue on, instead to further raise the bar in any and all Responsible Firearm Ownerships Pursuits we undertook.
THR is one such pursuit.
I, like many others enjoy having fun. I like many others "express" myself out in the real world. Mature members are not going to make fun or snicker when the proper name of file is typed. Folks that frequent the Blackpowder Forum do not act like a bunch of daycare kids when reading about nipples.
You want to be perceived as immature, snickering kids that want attention, by participating in abusing filters, not even making an attempt to write a complete sentence, use paragraph breaks, or punctuation - LEAVE THR.
Go start your own forum, where you can w00t and holler and have a good old time.
Some of us want to Preserve Freedom and Fight Tyranny, always been folks like us, always will be.
There have always been those that caused black eyes, aided the enemy by distracting efforts on the home front.
I do not want you here, there is the door and I do not care if it hits you in the butt on your way out.
You will NOT come whining and crying to me when your local jurisdictions are restricting your rights - you were too busy playing and being "cute", distracting efforts some of us, many of us not even in your jurisdictions were fighting for, working our tails off to assist the folks in your locales.
Rosey Greer stood at the bedside of Richard Pryor as he lay badly burned from a freebasing gone bad. Greer kept asking Pryor one question:
What are YOU going to do?
One cannot change people, places and things. The only thing a person can change is themselves.
-Straighten up and help raise the THR bar.
-Get Banned
-Pick up your joysticks and leave.
What are you going to do?
There is more to responsible firerarm ownership than firearms.
Steve
Newer folks may not be aware of the fact THR came about after TFL closed down for a bit. TFL set the bar for all internet gun forums. Rich challenged all of us TFL members to not just continue on, instead to further raise the bar in any and all Responsible Firearm Ownerships Pursuits we undertook.
THR is one such pursuit.
I, like many others enjoy having fun. I like many others "express" myself out in the real world. Mature members are not going to make fun or snicker when the proper name of file is typed. Folks that frequent the Blackpowder Forum do not act like a bunch of daycare kids when reading about nipples.
You want to be perceived as immature, snickering kids that want attention, by participating in abusing filters, not even making an attempt to write a complete sentence, use paragraph breaks, or punctuation - LEAVE THR.
Go start your own forum, where you can w00t and holler and have a good old time.
Some of us want to Preserve Freedom and Fight Tyranny, always been folks like us, always will be.
There have always been those that caused black eyes, aided the enemy by distracting efforts on the home front.
I do not want you here, there is the door and I do not care if it hits you in the butt on your way out.
You will NOT come whining and crying to me when your local jurisdictions are restricting your rights - you were too busy playing and being "cute", distracting efforts some of us, many of us not even in your jurisdictions were fighting for, working our tails off to assist the folks in your locales.
Rosey Greer stood at the bedside of Richard Pryor as he lay badly burned from a freebasing gone bad. Greer kept asking Pryor one question:
What are YOU going to do?
One cannot change people, places and things. The only thing a person can change is themselves.
-Straighten up and help raise the THR bar.
-Get Banned
-Pick up your joysticks and leave.
What are you going to do?
There is more to responsible firerarm ownership than firearms.
Steve
1911Tuner
Moderator Emeritus
re:
Mal...Not pointing at THR specifically. Just noticed that on some boards,
Bastard File and Cocked is filtered out, and either a personal or automated warning issued. Mostly citing examples of what should be allowable.
Agree with sm and Biker. Personal responsibility is the rule of the day. If a few step too far across the line...warn and ban. It doesn't take a high level of intelligence to know what Art's grammaw will tolerate and what she won't...bless her old heart.
Mal...Not pointing at THR specifically. Just noticed that on some boards,
Bastard File and Cocked is filtered out, and either a personal or automated warning issued. Mostly citing examples of what should be allowable.
Agree with sm and Biker. Personal responsibility is the rule of the day. If a few step too far across the line...warn and ban. It doesn't take a high level of intelligence to know what Art's grammaw will tolerate and what she won't...bless her old heart.
This should be an interesting experiment, but by announcing that the blocks are off, it's more like putting a "Dry Paint" sign on the wall, and waiting to see how many people touch the wall to test it.
Personally, if the mood or need arise, I can put together a string of expletives that would shock a merchant marine, but I can also converse without them. It depends on the setting and the subject.
One question though...Can one simply get Typing Taurettes (sp)? I mean like, out of the blue, no oncoming symptoms or forewarning? I find my fingers reaching for certain keys and I don't know why.
Jubei
Personally, if the mood or need arise, I can put together a string of expletives that would shock a merchant marine, but I can also converse without them. It depends on the setting and the subject.
One question though...Can one simply get Typing Taurettes (sp)? I mean like, out of the blue, no oncoming symptoms or forewarning? I find my fingers reaching for certain keys and I don't know why.
Jubei
p35
Member
I remember a thread about the best way to clean and skin out a deer where people had to keep working their way around the word "anus", as in "tie off the anus with a zip tie before cutting around it". Seemed pretty silly to me that adults had to do that.
Connecticut Yankee
Member
Dagnabit, How About the Old Standbys when Kids are Around?
Dumb-butt. Consarn. Consarn it. Heck. Ring dang doo. He's a palooka. Ding dong dangit. Darn. Double darn. Land O'Goshen. Glory Be! Gosh darn it.
Apropos of this dig out the Beetle Bailey comic from last Sunday - the Skypilot told the Top Kick to clean up his language and there are a coupla good examples...
See the suggestions from a female orthropod in New York at: http://hesdeadjim.squarespace.com/journal/2005/8/14/228724.html
Exclamations: "Holy smokes!" "Wow!" "Oh, my goodness!" "Yikes!" "Baloney!" "Sheesh!" "Geez!" "Oh, My!" "Darn!" "Crap!" "Bummer!" "How awful!" and, rarely (but a gem), "Criminy!"
Descriptive terms for bad people or behavior: "Idiot." "Reprehensible person." "Worm." "Slug." "Contemptible person." "Despicable." "Awful." "Creep." "Skank."
Dumb-butt. Consarn. Consarn it. Heck. Ring dang doo. He's a palooka. Ding dong dangit. Darn. Double darn. Land O'Goshen. Glory Be! Gosh darn it.
Apropos of this dig out the Beetle Bailey comic from last Sunday - the Skypilot told the Top Kick to clean up his language and there are a coupla good examples...
See the suggestions from a female orthropod in New York at: http://hesdeadjim.squarespace.com/journal/2005/8/14/228724.html
Exclamations: "Holy smokes!" "Wow!" "Oh, my goodness!" "Yikes!" "Baloney!" "Sheesh!" "Geez!" "Oh, My!" "Darn!" "Crap!" "Bummer!" "How awful!" and, rarely (but a gem), "Criminy!"
Descriptive terms for bad people or behavior: "Idiot." "Reprehensible person." "Worm." "Slug." "Contemptible person." "Despicable." "Awful." "Creep." "Skank."
PATH
Member
I never use cuss words in the presence of women, children, and clergy. I don't use profanity here because all of the above may be frequenting this board. Thus it is simple, don't cuss here! Just my thoughts on the subject. Thank you Oleg for treating us as trustworthy folks.
BigG, Oleg, SM, Mal, and others. my sophmoric attempt at humor was the George Carlin post.
The devil made me do it, as Flip Wilson used to say.
Truth of the matter be told, I'd be much more concerned about words that relate to a persons creed, occupation, race, sexual preference or religion, than I would about a few cuss words.
But I DO get the point, even if my feeble attempts at humor go unappreciated by the unwashed masses. I have to stop trying to have fun while I'm here.
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