Man Kills Neighbor While Cleaning Rifle

who cleans a loaded gun? am i missing something?

He had an M16? Or do they mean AR?

The guy is a ScrewBall.

He probably was screwing around with it. Not necessarily cleaning the gun. And when the authorities came, he made up some excuse.

He had an M16? Or do they mean AR?

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I'm sure it was an AR.

Either this guy is a profound idiot, or he's full of BS. I always half laugh and half projectile vomit when people say, "I didn't know it was loaded," or, "it just went off.".

What moron doesn't obey the 4 basic rules of gun safety? I had a clearly depressed guy try to convince me once that he shot himself "accidentally" while cleaning his pistol. Ok, maybe I clean my pistol differently than everyone else, but I field strip it. I'm cleaning a barrel and nothing else. There's never a magazine in, and the gun is taken apart. It can't possibly fire. I fail to see, even with a revolver, how one could "accidentally" shoot themselves while cleaning a gun. You can clearly see the cylinder and whether or not there are cartridges inside.

This guy gives the antis ammunition to claim that guns just "go off". I can't stand stories like this. It makes it sound commonplace to a firearm-ignorant sheep who might vote for a BS-spewing anti-gun politician.

Negligent

Two things entered my mind.

1. If I accidentally shot a gun into my neighbors house, I'd go over to check on them. The neighbor being found dead half an hour later reflects how irresponsible the gun owner was.

2. Who buys an AR for home defense if you live in an apartment?

There's so much about this story that doesn't add up. Anyone with an ounce of firearm knowledge knows that. The problem is that a lot of the idiots reading that article don't know anything about guns and will draw their own conclusions or be led to them by the anti-gun activists.

who cleans a loaded gun? am i missing something?

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Yeah, you're missing the part where the guy is an idiot.

He probably was screwing around with it. Not necessarily cleaning the gun. And when the authorities came, he made up some excuse.

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I am convinced that is the case with 99.9% of gun cleaning "accidents"

Sigh....

One more person doing something stupid to give the anti's ammo when they try to take away our rights.

And how horrible for the family of the man who was killed. At least he was sleeping and probably felt no pain.

Stop giving this guy a hard time.. We all know the only way to clean a rifle is to dip your round in bore cleaner and then fire it. This produces the proper friction needed to get the barrel squeaky clean.. Jeesh, I thought everyone knew that..

1. If I accidentally shot a gun into my neighbors house, I'd go over to check on them. The neighbor being found dead half an hour later reflects how irresponsible the gun owner was.

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Maybe he did. In this case I don't think the neighbor would have answered the doorbell or phone.
Damn shame. Either he was fooling around or he pulled the trigger "just to make sure it wasn't loaded" trick before cleaning it.

I know many people who have had accidental discharges(jeez that sounds bad). I had one just a couple of years ago my first and only. It was a semi-auto shotgun that had a faulty spring in the tube. A shell hung back in it even after I racked it about five times while looking into the chamber. After my last time of racking it I didn't watch the action drop back but apparently the hidden shell loaded. I dropped the trigger and BAM! hole in the wall, through the bathroom and into the kitchen where some of the shot ended up in the box of doggy treats.

I have never had this happen while cleaning a gun and cann't figure out how you even have an accidental discharge while cleaning a gun. To clean it you must take it apart.

" Who buys an AR for home defense if you live in an apartment?"

I once knew a guy who fell under the "Mel Tappan" spell and kept an HK 91 for "home defense" in an apartment. He had about a hundred 20 round magazines, fully loaded, most with APT and API. IMO, he was crazy as hell.

Jim

IF he was just "wiping it down", ie: the outside of the piece, as opposed to "cleaning" it, then i can see where he could have made the mistake. Not to say that i condone the moronic gun handling in any way.

Fool should go to prison for gross stupidity. I have zero sympathy for this idiot.

I went to high school with a girl whose brother was killed in a similar manner. Idiot neighbor was cleaning his loaded gun at the kitchen table and it discharged, bullet went thru the screen door, and instantly killed the kid playing in the yard. That was over 30 years ago and I imagine he's still paying hefty monthly payments towards the civil damages that were awarded.

Bullet goes thru one wall, thru a headboard and then kills with a head shot. Who said the .223 was inadequate?

Bullet goes thru one wall, thru a headboard and then kills with a head shot. Who said the .223 was inadequate?

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I was thinking the same thing.

What I'm wondering is -- what kind of training/instruction did he receive when he bought the rifle? I can believe that he thought it was empty. If he knows nothing about firearms (which he probably doesn't), he may have thought removing the magazine (excuse me, in this context I should have said "clip") emptied the "gun."

Only if he failed to read the manual, which no doubt explains explicitly that removing the magazine does not render the gun "unloaded".

Bullet goes thru one wall, thru a headboard and then kills with a head shot. Who said the .223 was inadequate?

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I'm not saying its inadequate but that's really not very impressive. A 9mm carbine would do that. A couple of panels of wallboard and a 1/4" headboard is just not much of a barrier, and the top of the skull is soft.

Cleaning a gun the shooter did not know was loaded was the basis of a whole lot of LEO suicides over the years. It wouldn't surprise me if this was an accident or even an intentional act (not all neighbors get along) that he was trying to cover up.

So the guy was playing SOCOM by himself,with a real loaded AR15. Or he really was cleaning it. Either way it was not a "justified shooting" that gets debated on all the time here,it's a case of negligent manslaughter. *sigh* Guys like this make us all look bad. Hell,he makes Americans look bad. Geez,if there's one place you should be safe from stray bullets,it's in your own bed taking a nap!


My condolences to the victim's family.