Do you know a pro gun cop?

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Absolutely they would; the vast majority would obey orders. Katrina proved that; the ones who weren't actually making illegal confiscations weren't doing anything to stop them.
 
"Would a 'pro gun' policeman (Or PRO GUN military person.) take firearms away from anyone if they were told to be CONFISCATED under an ORDER from their higher authority figure or boss or under any new Elected Official on a city, township, county, state or FEDERAL LEVEL?"

Obviously yes.

As others have said Katrina is a perfect example of this.

A few years ago after the 2nd push for Fallujah (just after my unit left), the newly placed Iraqi government and the theater commander decided that we would be safer if we did not allow anyone in Fallujah to own. (that way they knew that someone was a badguy if they saw them carrying, at the time it was essentially a free fire zone on anyone that was carrying).

The old law said that every military age male was allowed to own one AK style weapon and two mags of 30 for protection of family and self.

Iraqi gov changed the law to say that no one in Fallujah proper (or anyplace that the insurgency was prevalent) was allowed to have these weapons.

Within a few weeks we saw SVBIEDs skyrocket. Come to find out the bad guys did not obey this law (imagine that!). Because the honest guy was following the new law, he was defensless, and the bad guys would roll up on his home, yoke up momma and kiddies and tell daddy that if he did not drive this car filled with explosives into this group of people that they would kill momma and kiddies.

To keep his family alive, he would do as they said.

After a month or so the HUMINT guys figured out what was going on and after a good amount of persuading Iraqi gov and the theater commander changed the law back saying that they could own again. Within days they started finding dead bad guys in the alleys, and SVBIEDs dropped off to pre push levels.
 
My previous post quoted here:

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Maybe the question should be:

Would a 'pro gun' policeman (Or PRO GUN military person.) take firearms away from anyone if they were told to be CONFISCATED under an ORDER from their higher authority figure or boss or under any new Elected Official on a city, township, county, state or FEDERAL LEVEL?

I think that I am going to throw up now. I saw some presidential politics on my internet computer live.

We are sooooo screwed!

Military = military.

NON military = civilians and that INCLUDES the police.

Catherine
PS: I already posted on this thread but I felt that this was a valid point.

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I know about Nola, etc. here in the USA and worldwide.

Do you think that the % RATE of 'just following orders' from the police and/or military would be HIGH in CONFISCATING FIREARMS or do you think that some of them would realize that it was a wrong thing to do even though they are or were given orders by a NWO R or D power control freak - anti gunner politico or 'officer'?

I think that most would 'follow the orders' even though the ORDERS were wrong and not Constitutional.

What do YOU think? Thank you.

I think that most would arrest anyone and confiscate a firearm who CCW'd in a NO CCW state even if the person did NO crime and ONLY wanted to protect himself under the SECOND. They would follow 'that NO CCW law'. That is their job, eh? Even if the LAW or order is wrong... most would follow the law or order because that is their job description.

So... some may be PRO GUN Off Work for themselves, some professions, some of us or ALL of us but while working... they would do their job even if an ORDER came down to gun confiscation.

That is something that bothers me and bothers many Americans. NO offense.

Catherine
 
As a young single woman in Georigia, I was oft advised by LEO's(unofficially) to get a gun, learn to use it, and shoot to kill. "Dead men tell no lies." This outlook seems to differ by locales; some counties seem in defense of the peaceful populace, others by trying to disarm the BG's.
 
I think that most would arrest anyone and confiscate a firearm who CCW'd in a NO CCW state even if the person did NO crime and ONLY wanted to protect himself under the SECOND. They would follow 'that NO CCW law'. That is their job, eh? Even if the LAW or order is wrong... most would follow the law or order because that is their job description.

If no CCW is the law then yes they would and should enforce it; if you don't like the law get it changed. Which other laws would you want LE to selectively enforce?
 
"If no CCW is the law then yes they would and should enforce it; if you don't like the law get it changed. Which other laws would you want LE to selectively enforce?"

Each service member (and I am sure this applies to LEOs as well) have a duty to not obey unlawful orders. I have heard that LEOs also take an oath, but I do not know the exact wording, though I believe it is similar.

“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

In combat you do not really have time to sit down and think if an order is lawful or not. In the scenario above you would. If the law is unconstitutional, then it is not legal.

All this being said, it is easy to say you will do something while behind a computer. It is different when your livelihood and personal freedom are at stake.
 
I'm happy to say that the majority of LEOs I know or have known are extremely Pro 2A. My last CCW instructor was LEO.
 
A good friend of mine is the Watford City, ND Chief of Police. He is very VERY pro gun. He's got an FFL, he's a gunsmith and practically lives at the range. It's a really good thing because he knows a LOT of gun laws so he's not the type of officer who will arrest or harass you for something that makes people feel uncomfortable but is perfectly legal. He's a good man.
 
“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States AS INTERPRETED BY MY SUPERIORS against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Fixed it. That's more accurate. Service members will enforce what they are told to. If they were told to enforce something unlawful or unjust, it would have to be so over the top egregiously unlawful or unjust that I doubt they'd even have to protest enforcing it. We'd probably stand up first.

It's easy to say you wouldn't do it if you were in that position. But if the day comes, don't be so sure you'll stand on principle.

Cops here on THR... I'd like to hear what you think. Search your soul and try to imagine... would you participate in a confiscation effort if not doing so meant you lose your job, your family sees hardship, and maybe you go up on charges, even go to jail? At the end of the day, it's that guys gun or your family doesn't eat, maybe worse.

It's an impossible question. Even the best among LE and service personnel might find that they don't like their own answer. And while I may resist, under certain circumstances I could not fault them individually.


-T.
 
It's easy to say you wouldn't do it if you were in that position. But if the days comes, don't be so sure you'll stand on principle.

Did you read the whole post or just the little bit at the start? Guess not!
 
I have a brother-in-law who is a SWAT air support helicopter pilot for a major Northeast city and he is very pro 2A. When I see him 2 times a year he lets me shoot his guns.
 
Been varmint hunting with 3 or 4 pro gun cops where I live. Two of them worked at one department for 20 years retired then moved down to my area and went to work there as detectives.
 
I know at least 3 and they are definately pro-CCW. They know they can not be everywhere all the time. Pretty refreshing actually when you compare their attitudes to the that of the "call 911" top brass around here. :barf:
 
Central KY leans towards pro 2A with all the hunting sports and plinking in your backyard stuff that goes on. The Captain of the local Police Force is definitely pro -- he takes me to the police range and enjoys the variety of weapons I provide. Louisville and Lexington, however, are seemingly dominated by liberals with "traditional" liberal values.
 
I work in LE.....Im Pro-Gun, Pro-2A....about as hardcore as it gets.

I think every man has the right to carry a weapon....using the Constitution as his carry permit.

My entire dept (rural, small county Sheriffs Office) is pro-2A. We love to see people get permits and have NO issues with someone arming themselves for protection....we understand we are 25 minutes away sometimes....its pure foolishness to think we could save anyone from violent crime.

So thats 4 Deputies, 1 Sheriff and countless jail/dispatch staff. I think in our entire staff there is maybe 1 person that isnt a hardcore 2A supporter.....and hes not an anti.....just a moderate.

The PD is about the same. I know of none of them that are antis....a few are moderates. I know for a fact 1 is very hardcore.

He recently stopped a gentleman from Kansas City. This guy was stopped for a minor traffic infraction but during the stop he was found to be carrying an unlicensed firearm. This guy (young black male) was just sure he was going to jail for a long time. The officer didnt freak out, didnt draw on him, didnt call for backup or the National Guard....informed him of the law and helped him put his gun in his trunk so he could continue on. He used some discretion....which sometimes is lacking these days.

Go 1 county in either direction....Sheriff hands out NO permits....and I would suspect is no pro-2A (for that obvious reason).

Its hit or miss in my neck of the woods.
 
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If no CCW is the law then yes they would and should enforce it; if you don't like the law get it changed. Which other laws would you want LE to selectively enforce?
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Excuse me? Ha ha! Many of us tried to change those laws in THAT state. The law was changed AFTER my late husband died and AFTER I moved out west. I have been active in ALL levels of politics since I was 12 years old and I was active in that state. I lived in that state for over 30 years. It was HIS home state not my home state. I was active in not only gun issues but in many, many other issues in my township, county and on the state level.

"Selectively enforce?"

Big old grin here.

Well, golly, gee... they could try to enforce the Constitution and ALL of the Bill of Rights including the SECOND. That should come FIRST and above ANY other OATH and that is my NOT so humble opinion. You know what they say about opinions, eh? We all have them and we can agree to disagree.

That meant, selectively enforce, for ALL people not just what they did in the past where mere citizenry were SECOND CLASS CITIZENS, serfs, peons, etc. when it came to conceal or open carry - even having a gun NEAR your ammo in your vehicle, a loaded gun in your vehicle, gasp, or a barrel under a certain size for city people. I lived rural so MY HAND GUN barrel lengths were not limited.

They might realize that the good peace officers agreed with the citizens about those gun laws. The RINO Gov. Taft was too busy kissing up to the 'higher ups' in the FOP and in the state highway patrol making deals/promises while he gave the SHAFT to the citizens for that time frame... before I MOVED and retired. He and others of his ILK have blood on their hands too because people could have been saved, even from rape, IF they were allowed to open and conceal carry in certain parts of that state including in their VEHICLES.

Others in this Republic have blood on their hands by denying that God Given Right backed up by the SECOND when it comes to self preservation and protecting their loved ones NO matter WHERE they LIVE.

Now you mentioned... selective enforcement of LAWS... you mean like past and present Presidents, RINOS, DEMS, Congress, alphabet agencies, police departments as in NOLA and elsewhere PICK and CHOOSE what parts of the Constitution that THEY want to abide by, IGNORE or SHRED? Geesh... they do that all of the time on the federal, state, county and city levels but we should IGNORE those broken laws, eh? I do NOT think that we should have to IGNORE the laws that they BREAK and get away with while they ignore the SECOND for all citizens!

I have always obeyed all of the stupid and wrong gun laws along with all other laws in my 57.5 years of life. I have never had a parking ticket, I never caused an accident, I pay my fair share and then some of taxes, etc. Does that mean that I should not speak up and be an activist when things are WRONG? NO. You should do YOUR civic duty along with EVERYONE else if you or they wish to do so. Free will - use it or lose it.

I know that they are wrong and complain. I do my CIVIC DUTY and try to change them. There are others who try to make changes ALL over this nation in gun laws and in other important ISSUES. Been there - done that - ballot issues and tons more. It does NOT always mean that the changes will be made now, does it? They tried anyway! I tried. You may have tried too!

LOOK at the fine print even in CCW laws... like it is ALREADY WRITTEN in the "SECOND" and we have to ask for crumbs from 'the master' for something that is already there all due to a crooked system and crooked leaders who WRITE/PASS crooked GUN LAWS. A person who supports those crooked people by voting for him or her a second time after they already lied or screwed you is just keeping the bad ones in office - R, D, etc. I heard and read that THAT state is really tough on outsiders who CCW. I don't know if that is true or not. I am sure that many states don't honor OTHERS CCW cards/permits... you see that on those CCW law websites - official government ones too.

I think this would be solved if all people who want to pack just open carry EVERYWHERE - where it is 'legal' of course. Ahem. I THINK that is should be LEGAL EVERYWHERE... open, conceal or no carry if one chooses NOT to pack iron.

The first thing that any NEW State GOVERNOR or NEW President should do is dump the over 20,000 gun laws or whatever that figure is now. Abolish some of the alphabet agencies too. I would say more but that would get 'political' in something other than GUN ISSUES and GUN LAWS!

So you would SUPPORT and AGREE with a policeman or military person who would take a GUN NOW if it was a LAW in that STATE or CITY - CCW, OPEN CARRY or NOT if that person did not have a CCW permit?

YOU would support and abide by ANY LAW IN CONFISCATING GUNS if that was another NEW LAW coming down the road? Arrest the gun toting person too?

IF CCW or OPEN CARRY WAS AGAINST THE LAW in YOUR STATE again... even though you won something finally... you would abide by that NEW LAW and support police who would enforce it all over again? Are you one with special rights where you can pack - are you a policeman now?

It is against the LAW now in some states to CCW and OPEN CARRY... it may be more of a LAW if the top 3 stooges get into office and others of their ILK!

So would you support any NEW STATE or FEDERAL administration's laws when it comes to gun ownership and gun carrying? It is the law, you know.

Would YOU support gun confiscation because it was the LAW?

Anyone else want to bite?

So there you go. Have a nice day.

Catherine
 
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I work in LE.....Im Pro-Gun, Pro-2A....about as hardcore as it gets.

I think every man has the right to carry a weapon....using the Constitution as his carry permit.

My entire dept (rural, small county Sheriffs Office) is pro-2A. We love to see people get permits and have NO issues with someone arming themselves for protection....we understand we are 25 minutes away sometimes....its pure foolishness to think we could save anyone from violent crime.

So thats 4 Deputies, 1 Sheriff and countless jail/dispatch staff. I think in our entire staff there is maybe 1 person that isnt a hardcore 2A supporter.....and hes not an anti.....just a moderate.

The PD is about the same. I know of none of them that are antis....a few are moderates. I know for a fact 1 is very hardcore.

He recently stopped a gentleman from Kansas City. This guy was stopped for a minor traffic infraction but during the stop he was found to be carrying an unlicensed firearm. This guy (young black male) was just sure he was going to jail for a long time. The officer didnt freak out, didnt draw on him, didnt call for backup or the National Guard....informed him of the law and helped him put his gun in his trunk so he could continue on. He used some discretion....which sometimes is lacking these days.

Go 1 county in either direction....Sheriff hands out NO permits....and I would suspect is no pro-2A (for that obvious reason).

Its hit or miss in my neck of the woods.

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Question please.

Unlicensed firearm? Do you mean NO CCW permit for having it in the car or does your area or HIS (The driver with the gun.) license hand guns?

I am glad that he was good with the man who had the gun in his vehicle and did not call in the SWAT team, JANET RENO, the FEDS or the National Guard on him! I am glad that he was good with the man and excuse my other sarcastic remarks on Reno - ugh! Thank him for me!

I know of HIT and MISS county sheriffs... I read about that ILK on other gun boards.

GOOD AND BAD IN ALL PROFESSIONS AND IN ALL PEOPLE.

God bless you and keep up the good work.

So if given an order to confiscate guns under some NEW LAW... would you do this to save your job and bennies?

Sincerely,

Catherine
 
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