I know that not everyone would be expected to recognize Guro Inosanto, but I did get a nice momentary chuckle out of that. Thanks.
FMA : Eskrima, Arnis & Kali
- Thread starter AStone
- Start date
- Status
I know that not everyone would be expected to recognize Guro Inosanto, but I did get a nice momentary chuckle out of that. Thanks.
Gunfighter123
Member
I also smiled when I seen the T-Shirt post !!!
In the early 1990s , I was lucky enough to have had some instruction from Guro Inosanto.
There was a post around here about "slapping" a knife out of a persons hand --- Guro Dan is the ONLY PERSON I have ever seen that could do that to me time after time. Even thou I KNEW he was going to do it , no matter how hard I tried --- my knife would "just appear" in his hands after the slap.
A kinder and deadlier man you will never meet --- he truely is a "one of a kind" !!! I do have some photos of me and him working out together with blades/sticks --- I will have to scan them and then post them here in the next few days.
In the early 1990s , I was lucky enough to have had some instruction from Guro Inosanto.
There was a post around here about "slapping" a knife out of a persons hand --- Guro Dan is the ONLY PERSON I have ever seen that could do that to me time after time. Even thou I KNEW he was going to do it , no matter how hard I tried --- my knife would "just appear" in his hands after the slap.
A kinder and deadlier man you will never meet --- he truely is a "one of a kind" !!! I do have some photos of me and him working out together with blades/sticks --- I will have to scan them and then post them here in the next few days.
You're a lucky man to have trained with him.
Harold Mayo
Member
Kinda reminds me in "Apollo 13" when Lovell's grandmother was introduced to Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin and she asked, "Are you boys in the space program, too?"
Inosanto is just such an iconic figure but I guess if you aren't a life-long martial arts geek, you can't be expected to know him.
Inosanto is just such an iconic figure but I guess if you aren't a life-long martial arts geek, you can't be expected to know him.
AStone
Member
This has been, and continues to be through Saturday, one of those ... week's from hell at work.
I'd like to take a metaphorical pair of sticks to this week.
But it'll be over soon.
Just by way of saying, I haven't lost interest in this thread.
My love and I did some drills with sticks a couple of nights ago. She's already got some moves down better than me.
In particular, she has a natural flow with 2 sticks in terms of that "twirl" thing they do before striking.
(Does that have an "official" name?)
Here's why we think she gets it. She jumps rope like I've never seen anyone I know do before.
She did competitions in her youth. Fancy stuff doing crossovers and stuff.
She uses the same motion with sticks, and it looks really amazing. Very intimidating.
I'd like to take a metaphorical pair of sticks to this week.
But it'll be over soon.
Just by way of saying, I haven't lost interest in this thread.
My love and I did some drills with sticks a couple of nights ago. She's already got some moves down better than me.
In particular, she has a natural flow with 2 sticks in terms of that "twirl" thing they do before striking.
(Does that have an "official" name?)
Here's why we think she gets it. She jumps rope like I've never seen anyone I know do before.
She did competitions in her youth. Fancy stuff doing crossovers and stuff.
She uses the same motion with sticks, and it looks really amazing. Very intimidating.
Start with single sticks before going to double sticks. One for each person. Much easier to learn the drills. Also, you're far more likely to have a single stick than a pair around.
AStone
Member
^ We both agree re single sticks. We're doing far more drills with singles than doubles; nearly all, in fact.
It's just every once in a while, we like to play with both just to get a taste, to see what the challenges are.
It's just every once in a while, we like to play with both just to get a taste, to see what the challenges are.
BullsAndClays
Member
I have to admit, I never thought that I'd see a picture of two, well-known Filipinos on THR. Awesome. I feel extra good about my heritage today!
AStone
Member
I learned some new moves today, along with a new understanding of and appreciation for footwork.
I'm learning a lot on my own just by shadow sticks, or better yet, sticks against a modest sized tree (for that skull feeling) or a 4x4 loft support wrapped in a packing blanket. (I also have a heavy bag in the studio that I'm using. Need to move it out of a corner, though, where it has been for punching; too tight in there to swing sticks much.)
Later in the weekend, maybe after dinner tonight, I'll try to describe what I learned and let others comment or critique.
It has to do with angles and orientation of the body relative to ones opponent, and how that effects the power and versatility of the strike - especially wrist snap, full arm, shoulder and body.
Yeah, something like that.
I'm liking this martial art more every day. I'm rarely without my stick nearby these days, and do several little practices during the day.
Added by edit: I'm finding that a lot of the same principles that apply to racket ball and Frisbee (both of which I've spent a lot life time with) for getting maximum power and control with footwork, shoulder and arm movement, wrist flicks, etc, also apply to these sticks.
Ok, dinner time. Red snapper, roast potatoes, broccoli and a lager. Chocolate cookies for desert.
Life is good, no?
I'm learning a lot on my own just by shadow sticks, or better yet, sticks against a modest sized tree (for that skull feeling) or a 4x4 loft support wrapped in a packing blanket. (I also have a heavy bag in the studio that I'm using. Need to move it out of a corner, though, where it has been for punching; too tight in there to swing sticks much.)
Later in the weekend, maybe after dinner tonight, I'll try to describe what I learned and let others comment or critique.
It has to do with angles and orientation of the body relative to ones opponent, and how that effects the power and versatility of the strike - especially wrist snap, full arm, shoulder and body.
Yeah, something like that.
I'm liking this martial art more every day. I'm rarely without my stick nearby these days, and do several little practices during the day.
Added by edit: I'm finding that a lot of the same principles that apply to racket ball and Frisbee (both of which I've spent a lot life time with) for getting maximum power and control with footwork, shoulder and arm movement, wrist flicks, etc, also apply to these sticks.
Ok, dinner time. Red snapper, roast potatoes, broccoli and a lager. Chocolate cookies for desert.
Life is good, no?
Last edited:
Gunfighter123
Member
What time should I show up ???
AStone
Member
Oh, sorry, fighter. All gone; no leftovers.
But it was delicious.
But it was delicious.
Welcome to FMA
I started training more than a year ago. The first few months, learning footwork, striking angles, etc. nothing seemed to work well. A few months in, it all came together and...wow, just wow. I was able to swing both sticks accurately without hitting myself, while moving. Take the sticks away and I was able to get three times the empty hand strikes that I could before I realized that I had two hands to work with, put a knife in one hand and look out
I haven't been able to train lately (winter layoff, training was near work) but still practice with my wife. The basics need to be done over and over, so that's what I'm doing.
I started training more than a year ago. The first few months, learning footwork, striking angles, etc. nothing seemed to work well. A few months in, it all came together and...wow, just wow. I was able to swing both sticks accurately without hitting myself, while moving. Take the sticks away and I was able to get three times the empty hand strikes that I could before I realized that I had two hands to work with, put a knife in one hand and look out
I haven't been able to train lately (winter layoff, training was near work) but still practice with my wife. The basics need to be done over and over, so that's what I'm doing.AStone
Member
Thanks, RatDrall. That's encouraging.
Feel free to tell more stories about your training, tips you've learned, etc. (Of course, that goes for all of you.)
I'm reading.
Feel free to tell more stories about your training, tips you've learned, etc. (Of course, that goes for all of you.)
I'm reading.
Don't use a stick on a punching bag. It will break the bag down faster than punching.
Moving pads on a column/tree is a good idea. Easily replaced when they get broken down.
Look at the pressure points and weak mechanical points on the human body. Sticks work especially well against those. Hands, elbows, knees, collar bones, etc. Whacking large bones is not the objective.
Don't discount thrusts with a stick. Two hand thrusts to the solar plexus, sternum, and chin are very effective.
Punyo
Honestly, get some training from a qualified trainer. Learning bad habits is ... bad.
Moving pads on a column/tree is a good idea. Easily replaced when they get broken down.
Look at the pressure points and weak mechanical points on the human body. Sticks work especially well against those. Hands, elbows, knees, collar bones, etc. Whacking large bones is not the objective.
Don't discount thrusts with a stick. Two hand thrusts to the solar plexus, sternum, and chin are very effective.
Punyo
Honestly, get some training from a qualified trainer. Learning bad habits is ... bad.
AStone
Member
Aw, this bag is old anyway, and we don't use it that much for punching. May as well make it earn it's keep.
I'm practicing thrusts, often on trees and telephone poles as I walk by.
(A guy in the park yesterday said to me, "Hey, what's that tree done to you?")
So far, training from watching the hell out of basic videos.
Yes, will seek training, but there is none in my city - that's zero -
and getting up to where it's offered isn't in my cards for another few weeks at least.
So, we so what we can do.
Still, I take your point about had babits, er, bad habits.
I'm practicing thrusts, often on trees and telephone poles as I walk by.
(A guy in the park yesterday said to me, "Hey, what's that tree done to you?")
So far, training from watching the hell out of basic videos.
Yes, will seek training, but there is none in my city - that's zero -
and getting up to where it's offered isn't in my cards for another few weeks at least.
So, we so what we can do.
Still, I take your point about had babits, er, bad habits.
Gunfighter123
Member
I have seen/used many types of "targets" -rolled up carpet , parts of rubber auto tires , sandbags ,smaller green "springy" tree branches ,old couch cushions, etc. --- as HSO stated , with full power strikes , you will break down the innards and split/rip the outer of almost any heavy bags with stickes.
I like useing two types of targets --- one like the above for "power" hitting with Rattan , Bahi , or Kamagong sticks. The other favorite target of mine is a double ended strikeing ball. That is a 3-6 foot length of "bungie" , then the strikeing ball , and then another length of "bungie' fastened at the bottom of ball to the floor etc. ----- being suspended in the middle , with every hit the "ball" rebounds in a unpredictable angle as it comes back at you. Useing this item , IMHO , you will improve your "footwork" and learn to use your off-hand to block {or the ball WILL hit you in the face etc.}
Here is a link for what I am trying to explain ---- you can find them much cheaper;
http://www.centurymartialarts.com/By_Brand/adidas/adidas_leather_double_end_ball.aspx
And of course , if/when you progress to "training" or "live" blades ---- be VERY VERY carefull or you can/will get hurt --- I have the scars to prove it !!!
I like useing two types of targets --- one like the above for "power" hitting with Rattan , Bahi , or Kamagong sticks. The other favorite target of mine is a double ended strikeing ball. That is a 3-6 foot length of "bungie" , then the strikeing ball , and then another length of "bungie' fastened at the bottom of ball to the floor etc. ----- being suspended in the middle , with every hit the "ball" rebounds in a unpredictable angle as it comes back at you. Useing this item , IMHO , you will improve your "footwork" and learn to use your off-hand to block {or the ball WILL hit you in the face etc.}
Here is a link for what I am trying to explain ---- you can find them much cheaper;
http://www.centurymartialarts.com/By_Brand/adidas/adidas_leather_double_end_ball.aspx
And of course , if/when you progress to "training" or "live" blades ---- be VERY VERY carefull or you can/will get hurt --- I have the scars to prove it !!!
Gunfighter123
Member
AStone
Member
Gunfighter, those are wicked cool bags. I'll see if I can find one.
As for the other bag, we don't use it for full on strikes. We're really being pretty gentle with it (and trees). We're really working hard right now on basic strikes, and it's just a useful "stop" for easy to moderate strikes, just to see what our positions are, etc.
The full length heavy bag is also useful for practicing hip and knee strikes, and is so hard down there that we limit our strikes there.
After getting some instruction, I hope eventually to buy a practice dummy ... well, if such things exist. Any opinion?
As for the other bag, we don't use it for full on strikes. We're really being pretty gentle with it (and trees). We're really working hard right now on basic strikes, and it's just a useful "stop" for easy to moderate strikes, just to see what our positions are, etc.
The full length heavy bag is also useful for practicing hip and knee strikes, and is so hard down there that we limit our strikes there.
After getting some instruction, I hope eventually to buy a practice dummy ... well, if such things exist. Any opinion?
Gunfighter123
Member
Save yourself HUNDREDS of dollars and make one yourself useing Wolmanized {sp?} 2"x2" and wrapping the limbs etc. with old carpet and then duct tape.
AStone
Member
^ Good idea.
Yes, correct spelling.
Yes, correct spelling.
AStone
Member
On a recent, very nice (read relaxing romantic) weekend on a farm
in the coast range near the Pacific, I took this photo of our sticks.
Yes, they are 28" starter models cut from a hardwood garden handle.
But they've been through a few changes :
some fire; some carving to etch
some hand reference points.
Mine is more carved than hers.
Just something I enjoy doing.
It reminds me of my first walking stick
that I found in a creek when I was 10,
and whittled a grip as I walked back home.
Still have it 50 years later.
Yes, we will get a pair of rattan soon.
But these have worked well for getting started.
in the coast range near the Pacific, I took this photo of our sticks.
Yes, they are 28" starter models cut from a hardwood garden handle.
But they've been through a few changes :
some fire; some carving to etch
some hand reference points.
Mine is more carved than hers.
Just something I enjoy doing.
It reminds me of my first walking stick
that I found in a creek when I was 10,
and whittled a grip as I walked back home.
Still have it 50 years later.
Yes, we will get a pair of rattan soon.
But these have worked well for getting started.
Attachments
Don't bother wasting money on a purchased practice dummy. My mook cost $500 and that was "wholesale". Your money would be much better spent on training. See if the guro "nearby" will come to you for private lessons before dropping that sort of coin.
Take Gunfighter123's advice and build your own. Check around for a large lawnmower repair shop that might give you a bunch of riding mower tires. They can be used to make a "tire man". Use whole tires for the body and partial tires for the arms and legs. Wrap rope around your padded column. That soaks up the impact well. Mark the wrapped column to differentiate the head, neck, upper torso and lower torso so you can target your attacks easier.
Take Gunfighter123's advice and build your own. Check around for a large lawnmower repair shop that might give you a bunch of riding mower tires. They can be used to make a "tire man". Use whole tires for the body and partial tires for the arms and legs. Wrap rope around your padded column. That soaks up the impact well. Mark the wrapped column to differentiate the head, neck, upper torso and lower torso so you can target your attacks easier.
Last edited:
AStone
Member
Great ideas, guys.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
