WWI Gun Sale...HELP! 1917, Mauser,Mosin Nagant, Enfield

I don't think you're going to get a clear answer because there are so many variations within those individual rifles.

The Mosin Nagant, less than $100.

The 1917 Enfield (if all original, not refinished and with a good bore) might go $500.

The others will depend heavily on condition. Are they refinished? Where were they made? K98's were made by the Spanish, Czechs, Yugo's, etc. The SMLE might be made in India, GB or some commonwealth country.

Well, much of his information is wrong, so I'd be leery of trusting his appraisal. The 1917 was not the "next generation" following the 1903. The 762X54 has never been "nominally called an 8mm". Spain did not participate in WWI.

They may be good rifles, but since this guy knows nothing about rifles I'd want to examine them myself.

You can pick up a good Mosin anywhere for about $79. The others... I'd pass unless they were dirt cheap.

I don't think the Mauser is a WW1 rifle.
To me it looks like a Yugoslavian 24/47 because of the upper wood there and the bayonet.
I wouldn't bit more than 250 on that.

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Yeah, I think you'd be safe at $350 with the P17 as long as it's all original and really has a good bore.

I'd bid $50 on the Mosin since you can pick them up anywhere for not much more.

The SMLE could be one of the Ishapore manufactured rifles, so I'd be very careful. It could be worth anywhere from $150 to $500 depending on model, manufacturer and condition.

The Mauser could be a Spanish made 98, or German 98 made for the Spanish. Or it could be a Spanish small ring (93) - I can't tell from the photo. I wouldn't bid more than $100 unless I could get more information.

Last year I sold a 1917 Eddystone, properly marked and a horrible barrle for $350.00. I never would have paid that myself. I recently saw some very nice German Mausers for $250-300.00. My brother recently bought a Nagant that looks like new for $100.00.

Man, those descriptions remind me of a bunch of guns I bought from an older gentleman's estate. Sometimes it is frightening how little people know...or more properly, how much stuff they get wrong. He gets ID wrong, calibers are wrong, the lineage of the M1917 is wrong. Pathetic.

As stated, wrong ID on the Mosin and the Mauser. The Mauser sure looks like a 24/47 and is likely worth right around $325.

The M1917 is worth a lot more than the $350 people are throwing around here. When the CMP still had them, they went for $500 and the CMP is usually "below market".

1917s in good condition can go for $700 or more... especially now that the CMP doesn't have them anymore.

The Mosin could be worth more depending on arsenal and year. But without more info it's not worth risking more than $150 on it. From the tiny pic it almost seems to have a high sight on the front. That would make it a Finn or Finn capture. Those are also pretty easy to get though. Just not enough info on it.

The 1917 is the obvious target for any acquisition though. It appears intact. Those are getting harder and harder to find. I can't tell from the pics if its parkerized (WWII rearsenal) or not. Keep an eye out for inspector marks on the stock--none other than Elmer Keith used to do some of that work.

The 1917 is a very tough action--stronger than the 1903. It can fire pretty much any .30'06 made if the headspace is good and the rifle is in good condition. I've seen those actions used for very potent magnum rifles. But please do not alter this one. They're a piece of American history that's getting tougher to find.

The Czech Mauser looks interwar. They were very plentiful a few years ago, not quite as easy to find now. I would put $200 on it. $250 tops if you really want to shoot 8x57JS.

thats a 24/47 yugo mauser. In that condition its worth only about $150-200. the reason that is has a "good" bore is because yugoslavia never lined their bores with anything, and they shoot corrosive ammunition. I'd watch out with that one.

The mosin is going to be around $90-100 it appears to have a hex receiver, but if it doesn't that means it's just some re-worked factory frankenstein as was common for surplus rifles. And the battle of Stalingrad was just one of many fights going on at exactly the same time in a country that is larger than the U.S. I highly doubt that it was in the battle of Stalingrad unless it comes with proper documentation stating such. (these tall tales are common among suplus rifle collectors).

The enfield is a #1 Mk3 and those are a bit harder to come by now adays. The "unusual" rear sight is the exact opposite of unusual. All #1 Mk3's have it. The seller is confusing them with a #4 Mk1 which is the common WWII variant. I would bid no more than $300 for that rifle. Again, I would suggest looking at the bore and action of the rifle, and make sure it functions smoothly with no corrosion or damage to the mechanism. I have examined several and some had what appeared to be binding locking lugs.

The US model 17 is the nicest rifle out of all of them. I would go up to $600 for that one. However, I would check the butt stock and finish on the metal before buying it. If it matters to you (I don't know if your a serious collector or not). It appears to have been refinished. I believe that the finish on the metal for this pattern rifle during this era should be slightly green. Also, the wood should show basic wear and tear, but this one does not. It also appears that the buttplate was colored the same finish as the wood (A mistake that many make when re-finishing wood on surplus guns).

The model 1400 the "jam o matic" as my grandfather says. My experience and information all points to this gun negatively. However, It is in good condition and I would make a reasonable offer of $200-250.

I must be getting rusty on Mauser ID. I thought the Yugo 24/47's were CZ made.

That "17" is a nice shooter. I have fired from 150 to 220 gn in mine and it handled them flawlessly. Smooth shooter.

The Mosin is an 1891 dragoon, not the usual refurbed 91/30's we are used to seeing on sale for $79. Depending on the manufactrer,date, condition, and any capture marks present it could be worth as much or more than the other rifles.

Yeah, that's not a 91/30, it's an M1891. Definitely something to snag if everyone else thinks it's just a run of the mill Mosin.

"...protective ‘wings’ on the sides..." As mentioned that's the way No. 1 Mk III's came. Certainly not enough info for even a 'ball park' value. Wouldn't part with $200 for it in that condition.
Don't even think about buying it without getting proof of good headspace and the barrel's internal diameter either. Lee-Enfields are notorious for being assembled out of parts bins with zero QC. Not that one though. Too rough. Fixing bad headspace is easy, if you have a handful of bolt heads to try with proper guages(no bits of tape, paper, shim stock or anything else). Stripped bolt heads run $13.30 each from Gunparts.
The barrels can measure from .311" to .315" and still be considered ok. Over .315", the barrel is shot out.

as one of the previous posts said, not all mosin's are worth less than $100. The older ones are worth much more than the refurbished ww2 models.

Thats about the extent of my knowledge on them, but I do know than some can be rare and expensive.

Kodiakbeer,

K98s were not made by the Spanish, Czechoslovakians or the Yugoslavioans....K98s were only made by the Germans.

The Spanish contracted for Mausers. The Czechs contracted for mausers as well (V24s, etc) and the Yugos made a different albeit similar 7.92 mm bolt action (M-48 and varients). The K-98 is a pure German rifle (actually carbine).